Brett Favre Decision

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Fair enough you don't like the guy, but what about your false statements about him being responsible for the team's failures the past few years. As I pointed out last year is the only losing season the Packers have had under him. They've been a perennial playoff team for over a decade now. At least give him some respect for what he's done on the field.

Fair enough Matty, as far as his whole career goes. You have to give him credit, he’s been great at times, or should I say was great.
But as for the past few years, he has really played recklessly & I believe the team has been bailed out by the running game, driver & walker, and a decent defense. If he did say “what are they going to do, cut me?” then he does deserve some criticism. He’s the qp, not the GM & he’s taking advantage of his status IMO. I don’t begrudge him too much for it though, he’s facing a major change in his life. But I do think its fair to say that he’s not acting in the team’s best interests right now & that as a player he’s nowhere near his mvp years. Bottom line for Green Bay is that this team lacks a lot & Farve coming back is unlikely to get them to the playoffs no matter who they sign.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

But as for the past few years, he has really played recklessly & I believe the team has been bailed out by the running game, driver & walker, and a decent defense.

Why does everyone keep saying "past few years"? The Packers were in the playoff the season before last. He had a poor season last year, because all his weapons were injured. ALL of them, except the #2 receiver.

And the only reason they were good before was because of the running game, receivers and defense?!?! So you're basically saying they won, in spite of Favre. Please find anyone who knows anything about football, that agrees with that comment. The Packers haven't had a top tier defense in six seasons. And to claim that the offense is only good because of everyone except the quarterback(especially when the QB is Favre) is ridiculous.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Why does everyone keep saying "past few years"? The Packers were in the playoff the season before last. He had a poor season last year, because all his weapons were injured. ALL of them, except the #2 receiver.

And the only reason they were good before was because of the running game, receivers and defense?!?! So you're basically saying they won, in spite of Favre. Please find anyone who knows anything about football, that agrees with that comment. The Packers haven't had a top tier defense in six seasons. And to claim that the offense is only good because of everyone except the quarterback(especially when the QB is Favre) is ridiculous.

Seriously, try making the comment that Skins were good in spite of Mark Brunell and see how this board explodes. And we all know that Favre is a far better QB than Brunell.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Seriously, try making the comment that Skins were good in spite of Mark Brunell and see how this board explodes. And we all know that Favre is a far better QB than Brunell.

Well, last year Farve wasn't better than Brunell...that's a fact!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, last year Farve wasn't better than Brunell...that's a fact!

Yeah, last year Mark Brunell's numbers were better with Clinton Portis and Santana Moss than Favre's were with Donald Driver and Samkon Gado. What an accurate gage...

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Yeah, last year Mark Brunell's numbers were better with Clinton Portis and Santana Moss than Favre's were with Donald Driver and Samkon Gado. What an accurate gage...

I tell you what....stats aside, God forbid Huddle see this, Brunell was a better decision maker last year and cost his team less mistakes.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I tell you what....stats aside, God forbid Huddle see this, Brunell was a better decision maker last year and cost his team less mistakes.

True. But Brett Favre has never been the best decision maker in the world. He relies on his rare abilities. That said, I often wish there were a lot more Brett Favre in Mark Brunell. I would rather see him throw picks on 4th and the game than take sacks or try to run for 14 yards. I guess it depends on what you're looking for.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I tell you what....stats aside, God forbid Huddle see this, Brunell was a better decision maker last year and cost his team less mistakes.

Has Huddle even been on since he told us we're losing the battle with ES?

Anyhow, is Favre's stalling really holding the team back right now? I mean either way they have truckloads of money, they're going about their free agent business signing guys like Marquand Manuel and Ryan Pickett. And they have already have their QB of the future (at least they believe they do) in Aaron Rodgers. So right now at least it doesn't seem to me like Favre's decision, or lack thereof, is really affecting any of the Packers plans. If this is still going on in August, that's a different story.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Fair enough Matty, as far as his whole career goes. You have to give him credit, he’s been great at times, or should I say was great.
But as for the past few years, he has really played recklessly & I believe the team has been bailed out by the running game, driver & walker, and a decent defense. If he did say “what are they going to do, cut me?” then he does deserve some criticism. He’s the qp, not the GM & he’s taking advantage of his status IMO. I don’t begrudge him too much for it though, he’s facing a major change in his life. But I do think its fair to say that he’s not acting in the team’s best interests right now & that as a player he’s nowhere near his mvp years. Bottom line for Green Bay is that this team lacks a lot & Farve coming back is unlikely to get them to the playoffs no matter who they sign.

Let's take a look at his actual numbers rather than just throwing around claims about him being any more reckless in the past few years vs. Favre in his early years.

Last year was the first time since 1993 that he's thrown more INTs than TDs.

For his career he's thrown 255 INTs, or an average of 17 per season. During that time he threw 396 TDs, or 26.4 per season.

So let's get real, he's never been a QB that you would call a game manager, or a guy who limits his INTs and plays conservative. He's always been an all or nothing, force throws into tight spaces, and go for broke kind of QB. An old fashioned gunslinger in the truest sense.

He's always been the kind of QB that will throw 15-20 picks per year, but you could also count on 30 or more TD throws most years.

If you take a look at his numbers from season to season, there's not a whole lot different between what he's done in the last 5 years when compared to his first 5 years as a starter, or the middle 5 years or so. He's a high risk, high payoff QB. Always has been, always will.

Prior to the disaster that was the 2005 Packers, he was coming off one of his better years in 2004 when he threw for 4088 yards, 30 TDs and 17 INTs and a 92.4 rating.

I don't think his game dropped off that much last year, but the team round him did. The injuries piled up and by the end of the year he was throwing to guys like Rod Gardner and handing off to Sam Gado for petes sake.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Let's take a look at his actual numbers rather than just throwing around claims about him being any more reckless in the past few years vs. Favre in his early years.

Last year was the first time since 1993 that he's thrown more INTs than TDs.

Alright, well, I looked over his actual numbers and the way I read them, he had 23 picks in 1999 and 22 TDs.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Alright, well, I looked over his actual numbers and the way I read them, he had 23 picks in 1999 and 22 TDs.

Oversight on my part, so the first time since '99 and only the 2nd time since '93.

At least we're dealing in some facts now rather than gut feelings.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

At least we're dealing in some facts now rather than gut feelings.

It was never my point to make scientific calculations of my opinion about Brett Farve, nor to back them up by statistics or mathematical equations. And I don’t deny his place in the history books of the NFL. I believe his so-called “commitment” to his team only if they have a chance to win to be pathetic and cowardly. That confirms my feeling about him being a whiney little putz. And if any Washington Redskin ever threatened the same, I would be furious.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think his game dropped off that much last year, but the team round him did. The injuries piled up and by the end of the year he was throwing to guys like Rod Gardner and handing off to Sam Gado for petes sake.

But we're Redskin fans. We don't go by numbers or statistics.

AnE1 hOo iznt a ReDskIn sukZ, LoLz, WTF!!1!