Smoking Laws in NY and NJ

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by PWNED

well beemn, its not a majority vote type of thing i wouldnt think. i would think its a HEALTH thing ... the bottom line question for me is, why should nonsmokers have to adapt to someone elses habit that hurts both people?

My argument is they don't have to "adapt". Non-smokers can take matters of health into their own hands and leave a smoke-filled restaurant, and go to a non-smoking one.

According to those that favor smoking bans, there would be no restaurants that a smoker could go to. In a free country and in free markets, everyone has a choice.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

My argument they don't have to "adapt". Non-smokers can leave a smoke-filled restaurant, and go to a non-smoking restaurant.

According to those that favor smoking bans, there would be no restaurants that a smoker could go to.

No one says smokers can't go. Just don't smoke there.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

No one says smokers can't go. Just don't smoke there.

My statement should have read, "there would be no restaurants a smoker could go to and smoke."

Non-smokers don't have to go to a restaurant that allows smoking.

My position is two-fold: the government should not be able to dictate that a private restauranteur cannot allow smoking, or loud music, or serve fatty foods, when no one is forced to go there. Secondly, one class of citizens should not be able to petition the government to outlaw the actions of another class of citizens when everyone has the choice to disassociate themselves from them or leave the premises.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

My statement should have read, "there would be no restaurants a smoker could go to and smoke."

Non-smokers don't have to go to a restaurant that allows smoking.

My position is two-fold: the government should not be able to dictate that a private restauranteur cannot allow smoking, or loud music, or serve fatty foods, when no one is forced to go there. Secondly, one class of citizens should not be able to petition the government to outlaw the actions of another class of citizens when everyone has the choice to disassociate themselves from them or leave the premises.

Very insightful, i never thought of it that way.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

According to those that favor smoking bans, there would be no restaurants that a smoker could go to.

That's fine with me.

I was thinking of backing up my car to a bar or restaurant and just piping the exhaust right into it, hey, the non-exhaust enjoying people could just leave, right?

Let me enjoy my exhaust in peace.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That's fine with me.

I was thinking of backing up my car to a bar or restaurant and just piping the exhaust right into it, hey, the non-exhaust enjoying people could just leave, right?

Let me enjoy my exhaust in peace.

Though your statement was in jest, (or maybe it wasn't) you cannot take that action upon someone else's property without their consent. You can certainly do it if the property belongs to you, though.