Discuss: 90's QB Stats

[RiggoRules]

Shuler had a terrible attitude and was physically never right once he left Washington (and to reference another thread, yet one more great example of why investing a 1st rounder on a QB is a bad idea).

The key QB stat is TD/INT. With the exception of the Trent Green year (letting him go was a bigger mistake than letting B. Johnson go), a strong TD/INT ratio has resulted in playoffs.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

investing a 1st rounder on a QB is a bad idea).

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Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Carson Palmer,Vick,Mcnabb,were all first rounders. and i know that for every one of those you have the Ryan Leafs or Heath Shulers of the qb classes but its not always a bad idea!

[RiggoRules]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Carson Palmer,Vick,Mcnabb,were all first rounders. and i know that for every one of those you have the Ryan Leafs or Heath Shulers of the qb classes but its not always a bad idea!

Leaf, Shuler, Manning and Rothlesberger are all anomolies in one direction or the other (most are going to be something other than a pure boom or pure bust). What I am arguing is that if you take a look at all first round QBs, the probability is that you will not get value for that pick.

The Ramsey experience is actually pretty typical.

What I am suggesting is that the history tells us that it is more probable that the overall impact that D'Brick Ferguson, Vernon Davis, and Mario Williams have on their first teams during the life of their first contract is will be greater than the impact from Cutler, Young, and Leinart.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

What I am suggesting is that the history tells us that it is more probable that the overall impact that D'Brick Ferguson, Vernon Davis, and Mario Williams have on their first teams during the life of their first contract is will be greater than the impact from Cutler, Young, and Leinart.

I agree there, but the thought of filling your most important need for 10-15years is pretty tempting, and top 5 picks don't come around that often... a lot of times top ten QB picks are purely need, whereas almost every other position involves a lot more "best talent" available.

[RiggoRules]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I agree there, but the thought of filling your most important need for 10-15years is pretty tempting, and top 5 picks don't come around that often... a lot of times top ten QB picks are purely need, whereas almost every other position involves a lot more "best talent" available.

An interesting factoid I saw here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12389000/

Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger is the only first-round quarterback to win a Super Bowl since Denver's John Elway in 1997-98.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

An interesting factoid I saw here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12389000/

1st round QBs tend to go to bad teams. look at how many #1 overall picks go on to win superbowls... its almost 0, and most who do, do it with other teams after their rookie contracts expire. Does that mean the #1 overall picks all suck? or just the teams that are taking them?

I'd never draft QBs, RBs, or LBs in the first round, but i'm not a GM. that said, bad teams hurt.

tommy maddox went to the superbowl, dilfer, bledsoe, mcnair, collins, mcnabb did too. that's more than just ben.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I agree there, but the thought of filling your most important need for 10-15years is pretty tempting, and top 5 picks don't come around that often... a lot of times top ten QB picks are purely need, whereas almost every other position involves a lot more "best talent" available.

I couldnt agree with you more. The most important position on the offensive side of the ball is the QB. He gets the most touches every game and teams are always searching for the right talent at that position. If all first round QB's worked out then you wouldn't have a Tom Brady.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

Shuler had a terrible attitude and was physically never right once he left Washington (and to reference another thread, yet one more great example of why investing a 1st rounder on a QB is a bad idea).

The key QB stat is TD/INT. With the exception of the Trent Green year (letting him go was a bigger mistake than letting B. Johnson go), a strong TD/INT ratio has resulted in playoffs.

but in defense of Shuler, he gave alot of effort, he was just no damn good .

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

The key QB stat is TD/INT. With the exception of the Trent Green year (letting him go was a bigger mistake than letting B. Johnson go), a strong TD/INT ratio has resulted in playoffs.

I think Ints should stand independant of TDs. Having TDs is nice and all, but does it really matter whether the QB throws for it, or if the team runs it in. What you should look at is total team TD. Ints aren't always the quarterback's fault, but a high number never represents a good thing, whereas a low TD total works if the team scores a lot.

Both Trent Green and Rich Gannon would have hit their primes much sooner if we had kept them around. BJ quarterbacked here in his prime, and replacing him with Tony Banks and Jeff George is just plain stupid. Seriously, what's exciting about those guys?

To say that Danny Wuerffel and Shane Matthews were an improvement is an embarrassment, but something I believe to be accurate.