Grade Rocky McIntosh

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

all of the draft ratings and all that nonsense that people get so wrapped up in is just bogus. I don't care what Scouts.com says about a guy, or Mel Kiper, or whatever. If the player is someone that Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams are excited about, then I tend to follow suit.

Not sure whether that makes me a homer or if it means that I simply tend to defer to some of the best football coaches in the game.

question, before today, would you rather have jimmy williams or mcintosh?

we don't have a need at OT or WR, even though those players are great too (jackson/justice), but if you'd have passed on williams for mcintosh last week, everyone would say you're nuts. (just move him to safety and turn archuleta into a linebacker :P)

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

question, before today, would you rather have jimmy williams or mcintosh?

we don't have a need at OT or WR, even though those players are great too (jackson/justice), but if you'd have passed on williams for mcintosh last week, everyone would say you're nuts. (just move him to safety and turn archuleta into a linebacker :P)

For someone who knows so much about the draft, this is a pretty crazy statement to make. You want to move a 6-foot, 220 pound player to linebacker? That's not going to work, he'll get eaten alive by even the most benign blocking TEs.

Here's what I think is happening. A lot of us spend countless hours doing draft research and reading up and becoming experts on the draft. But when it comes down to it, we don't know 1% of what Gibbs and Williams know about the NFL. I'm sorry, no matter how good you think you are, you don't know jack in the grand scheme.

None of us are watching film and breaking it down, none of us are attending games and scouting, none of us are interviewing the players. We get all the info second-hand and act like we might be able to make an informed decision. It's just pointless. We can't. It's a large waste of time.

You can't say Jimmy Williams would be any better than Rocky McIntosh without simply repeating a bunch of information you found on the internet. It's basic regurgitation and it's meaningless. All I know is Gibbs and Williams wanted him, and that to me says a lot. I guess we'll find out in the coming years.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

For someone who knows so much about the draft, this is a pretty crazy statement to make. You want to move a 6-foot, 220 pound player to linebacker? That's not going to work, he'll get eaten alive by even the most benign blocking TEs.

Here's what I think is happening. A lot of us spend countless hours doing draft research and reading up and becoming experts on the draft. But when it comes down to it, we don't know 1% of what Gibbs and Williams know about the NFL. I'm sorry, no matter how good you think you are, you don't know jack in the grand scheme.

None of us are watching film and breaking it down, none of us are attending games and scouting, none of us are interviewing the players. We get all the info second-hand and act like we might be able to make an informed decision. It's just pointless. We can't. It's a large waste of time.

You can't say Jimmy Williams would be any better than Rocky McIntosh without simply repeating a bunch of information you found on the internet. It's basic regurgitation and it's meaningless. All I know is Gibbs and Williams wanted him, and that to me says a lot. I guess we'll find out in the coming years.

so why do you even bother coming to this forum or sprouting any kind of opinion, since it's pointless? and apparently you missed the joke.

seriously, you want me to call you an idiot every time you post any opinion at all? I think its smart to maximize talent instead of locking on one player, you don't, that's fine. but it seems more like post-draft justification and zombie-like homerism than actual analysis.


remember desmond howard? remember guys like jeff george? sometimes the teams DO make mistakes, you're acting like they're somehow infallible or that its not human beings making these decisions.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

so why do you even bother coming to this forum or sprouting any kind of opinion, since it's pointless? and apparently you missed the joke.

seriously, you want me to call you an idiot every time you post any opinion at all? I think its smart to maximize talent instead of locking on one player, you don't, that's fine. but it seems more like post-draft justification and zombie-like homerism than actual analysis.

The mere notion that you believe anyone on this site can offer worthy insight or "actual analysis" is laughable to me. When it comes to projecting prospects, the most knowledgable sportswriters in the game are often WAY off. Hell, a lot of coaches and GMs are often WAY off. The fact is we just don't know who's going to be good and who's not.

I also never called you an idiot. I hope you didn't think I did. I think you are smart and know a ton about college prospects. I'm just questioning the purpose behind all that research. I find it fruitless, that's all.

I just find the second-guessing of Gibbs' draft moves kind of funny, that's all. Does anyone really think they can challenge Gibbs' picks based on what they read on the internet? Pffft. He'd laugh at us if we did that.

That's just my philosophy on the whole subject. I do think it's fun to think about and give our opinions just for fun, but the second we start thinking we actually know something about these players is when we get too big for our britches. So I'll give my opinion on Jimmy Williams. I think he has character issues, I read that on the internet. So I can see why Gibbs went with Rocky.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The mere notion that you believe anyone on this site can offer worthy insight or "actual analysis" is laughable to me. When it comes to projecting prospects, the most knowledgable sportswriters in the game are often WAY off. Hell, a lot of coaches and GMs are often WAY off. The fact is we just don't know who's going to be good and who's not.

I also never called you an idiot. I hope you didn't think I did. I think you are smart and know a ton about college prospects. I'm just questioning the purpose behind all that research. I find it fruitless, that's all.

I just find the second-guessing of Gibbs' draft moves kind of funny, that's all. Does anyone really think they can challenge Gibbs' picks based on what they read on the internet? Pffft. He'd laugh at us if we did that.

That's just my philosophy on the whole subject. I do think it's fun to think about and give our opinions just for fun, but the second we start thinking we actually know something about these players is when we get too big for our britches. So I'll give my opinion on Jimmy Williams. I think he has character issues, I read that on the internet. So I can see why Gibbs went with Rocky.

you said yourselt a lot of GMs and team are off... if you're really that opposed to people having opinions about it, please don't waste your time reading the threads and write long posts about how its pointless. the skins are infallible line is stupid. wtf do we have forums or even need to watch or discuss the games then? if gibbs is never wrong, why don't we win the superbowl every year?

you have no opinion until its all said and done, and at that point your opinion is that anyone with an opinion is wasting their time, and proceed to waste both your time and theirs writing about what a waste of time it is, even though this is a FORUM, for OPINIONS and DISCUSSION.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you said yourselt a lot of GMs and team are off... if you're really that opposed to people having opinions about it, please don't waste your time reading the threads and write long posts about how its pointless. the skins are infallible line is stupid. wtf do we have forums or even need to watch or discuss the games then? if gibbs is never wrong, why don't we win the superbowl every year?

you have no opinion until its all said and done, and at that point your opinion is that anyone with an opinion is wasting their time, and proceed to waste both your time and theirs writing about what a waste of time it is, even though this is a FORUM, for OPINIONS and DISCUSSION.

I'll clarify myself. I have no problem with the opinions. I like that we're expressing them and talking about the team's moves. What I do have a problem with is when certain people on this board start to think they really know something.

All I'm intending to do here is provide a reality check. You might think you know these prospects. But in the end none of us know better than the coaches.

Sure we can discuss it and argue it. It's pointless and meaningless to do so, but if it's fun for us then by all means let's talk about it. As long as we realize it's just for fun, and that we really have no clue.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

All I'm intending to do here is provide a reality check. You might think you know these prospects. But in the end none of us know better than the coaches.

coaches can also make mistakes... I get that they have more information (I would too if i had 20+ scouts working for me), but it comes across as if you think, just because someone has a title, they become infallible in every way.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

For someone who knows so much about the draft, this is a pretty crazy statement to make. You want to move a 6-foot, 220 pound player to linebacker? That's not going to work, he'll get eaten alive by even the most benign blocking TEs.

Here's what I think is happening. A lot of us spend countless hours doing draft research and reading up and becoming experts on the draft. But when it comes down to it, we don't know 1% of what Gibbs and Williams know about the NFL. I'm sorry, no matter how good you think you are, you don't know jack in the grand scheme.

None of us are watching film and breaking it down, none of us are attending games and scouting, none of us are interviewing the players. We get all the info second-hand and act like we might be able to make an informed decision. It's just pointless. We can't. It's a large waste of time.

You can't say Jimmy Williams would be any better than Rocky McIntosh without simply repeating a bunch of information you found on the internet. It's basic regurgitation and it's meaningless. All I know is Gibbs and Williams wanted him, and that to me says a lot. I guess we'll find out in the coming years.

You said it all right here Schneed and what you say is true. Too many times we get caught up in the pre-draft hype from people we all have already admitted know very little about players or the game of football. They get paid for delivering hype and that's all it is. I was thrilled at the suspence surrounding the prospect of who we might take with 53 contrary to previous years when the whole world would know our slightest intentions. It's good to see Gibbs & Co. are determined not to let the media or the fans pick his team

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

You said it all right here Schneed and what you say is true. Too many times we get caught up in the pre-draft hype from people we all have already admitted know very little about players or the game of football. They get paid for delivering hype and that's all it is. I was thrilled at the suspence surrounding the prospect of who we might take with 53 contrary to previous years when the whole world would know our slightest intentions. It's good to see Gibbs & Co. are determined not to let the media or the fans pick his team

kiper and many mocks had us taking mcintosh for 3 weeks... out of the 7 guys brought into redskin park with 1st or 2nd round grades, mcintosh was the only one likely to fall to us at that pick.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by That Guy

kiper and many mocks had us taking mcintosh for 3 weeks... out of the 7 guys brought into redskin park with 1st or 2nd round grades, mcintosh was the only one likely to fall to us at that pick.

Now i know Gibbs isnt the only one involved in the choice, but I do feel that he may have just been insecure about the 53rd pick. Gibbs in general is that kinda guy, who always wants to make sure, and maybe he was ok with losing a second round next year, not to take a risk, and just to get Rocky for sure.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by That Guy

kiper and many mocks had us taking mcintosh for 3 weeks... out of the 7 guys brought into redskin park with 1st or 2nd round grades, mcintosh was the only one likely to fall to us at that pick.

However the FO obviously wasn't sure he would still be there at 53 that's why they made the decision to move up. There's eighteen other teams between to two slots, and with that many selections anything can happen. I like the move, give the guy a chance and not run him out of town before he puts the uniform on.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

However the FO obviously wasn't sure he would still be there at 53 that's why they made the decision to move up. There's eighteen other teams between to two slots, and with that many selections anything can happen. I like the move, give the guy a chance and not run him out of town before he puts the uniform on.

i've never said ANYTHING bad about the player. i have no problems with him unless he starts stinking it up.

[SanFranSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

For someone who knows so much about the draft, this is a pretty crazy statement to make. You want to move a 6-foot, 220 pound player to linebacker? That's not going to work, he'll get eaten alive by even the most benign blocking TEs.

Here's what I think is happening. A lot of us spend countless hours doing draft research and reading up and becoming experts on the draft. But when it comes down to it, we don't know 1% of what Gibbs and Williams know about the NFL. I'm sorry, no matter how good you think you are, you don't know jack in the grand scheme.

None of us are watching film and breaking it down, none of us are attending games and scouting, none of us are interviewing the players. We get all the info second-hand and act like we might be able to make an informed decision. It's just pointless. We can't. It's a large waste of time.

You can't say Jimmy Williams would be any better than Rocky McIntosh without simply repeating a bunch of information you found on the internet. It's basic regurgitation and it's meaningless. All I know is Gibbs and Williams wanted him, and that to me says a lot. I guess we'll find out in the coming years.

I agree, also he seems to be really smart so that's what GW and Gibbs have to have in a LB. He's had great competition playing for the U and will bring that pride to the field. He can play strong or weak side and in pass coverage. He has other Hurricanes to mentor him and he'll be well prepared with our coaches. Dale Lindsay just couldn't get along with LaVar but he seems to love our other LBs. We'll see how good this kid really is, but I'll take any LB from the U.

[EXoffender]

Originally Posted by That Guy

question, before today, would you rather have jimmy williams or mcintosh?

we don't have a need at OT or WR, even though those players are great too (jackson/justice), but if you'd have passed on williams for mcintosh last week, everyone would say you're nuts. (just move him to safety and turn archuleta into a linebacker :P)

I see your point. But you have to consider how we would address our hole at LB in the 5th or later rounds after we drafted J Williams. We needed a top five LB prospect and not one from the consensus scouts' list. If Greenway, DQ, or Carpenter fell out of the first, that would have opened up another avenue to make a decision on.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by That Guy

question, before today, would you rather have jimmy williams or mcintosh?

we don't have a need at OT or WR, even though those players are great too (jackson/justice), but if you'd have passed on williams for mcintosh last week, everyone would say you're nuts. (just move him to safety and turn archuleta into a linebacker :P)

100% in favor of McIntosh over williams. Jimmy Williams is an idiot, loud mouth in the mold of Pacman Jones. We did well to avoid that jackass in last year's draft and I believe we will all see that avoiding williams was a good decision.