Grade Rocky McIntosh

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

For someone who knows so much about the draft, this is a pretty crazy statement to make. You want to move a 6-foot, 220 pound player to linebacker? That's not going to work, he'll get eaten alive by even the most benign blocking TEs.

Here's what I think is happening. A lot of us spend countless hours doing draft research and reading up and becoming experts on the draft. But when it comes down to it, we don't know 1% of what Gibbs and Williams know about the NFL. I'm sorry, no matter how good you think you are, you don't know jack in the grand scheme.

None of us are watching film and breaking it down, none of us are attending games and scouting, none of us are interviewing the players. We get all the info second-hand and act like we might be able to make an informed decision. It's just pointless. We can't. It's a large waste of time.

You can't say Jimmy Williams would be any better than Rocky McIntosh without simply repeating a bunch of information you found on the internet. It's basic regurgitation and it's meaningless. All I know is Gibbs and Williams wanted him, and that to me says a lot. I guess we'll find out in the coming years.

so why do you even bother coming to this forum or sprouting any kind of opinion, since it's pointless? and apparently you missed the joke.

seriously, you want me to call you an idiot every time you post any opinion at all? I think its smart to maximize talent instead of locking on one player, you don't, that's fine. but it seems more like post-draft justification and zombie-like homerism than actual analysis.


remember desmond howard? remember guys like jeff george? sometimes the teams DO make mistakes, you're acting like they're somehow infallible or that its not human beings making these decisions.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

so why do you even bother coming to this forum or sprouting any kind of opinion, since it's pointless? and apparently you missed the joke.

seriously, you want me to call you an idiot every time you post any opinion at all? I think its smart to maximize talent instead of locking on one player, you don't, that's fine. but it seems more like post-draft justification and zombie-like homerism than actual analysis.

The mere notion that you believe anyone on this site can offer worthy insight or "actual analysis" is laughable to me. When it comes to projecting prospects, the most knowledgable sportswriters in the game are often WAY off. Hell, a lot of coaches and GMs are often WAY off. The fact is we just don't know who's going to be good and who's not.

I also never called you an idiot. I hope you didn't think I did. I think you are smart and know a ton about college prospects. I'm just questioning the purpose behind all that research. I find it fruitless, that's all.

I just find the second-guessing of Gibbs' draft moves kind of funny, that's all. Does anyone really think they can challenge Gibbs' picks based on what they read on the internet? Pffft. He'd laugh at us if we did that.

That's just my philosophy on the whole subject. I do think it's fun to think about and give our opinions just for fun, but the second we start thinking we actually know something about these players is when we get too big for our britches. So I'll give my opinion on Jimmy Williams. I think he has character issues, I read that on the internet. So I can see why Gibbs went with Rocky.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The mere notion that you believe anyone on this site can offer worthy insight or "actual analysis" is laughable to me. When it comes to projecting prospects, the most knowledgable sportswriters in the game are often WAY off. Hell, a lot of coaches and GMs are often WAY off. The fact is we just don't know who's going to be good and who's not.

I also never called you an idiot. I hope you didn't think I did. I think you are smart and know a ton about college prospects. I'm just questioning the purpose behind all that research. I find it fruitless, that's all.

I just find the second-guessing of Gibbs' draft moves kind of funny, that's all. Does anyone really think they can challenge Gibbs' picks based on what they read on the internet? Pffft. He'd laugh at us if we did that.

That's just my philosophy on the whole subject. I do think it's fun to think about and give our opinions just for fun, but the second we start thinking we actually know something about these players is when we get too big for our britches. So I'll give my opinion on Jimmy Williams. I think he has character issues, I read that on the internet. So I can see why Gibbs went with Rocky.

you said yourselt a lot of GMs and team are off... if you're really that opposed to people having opinions about it, please don't waste your time reading the threads and write long posts about how its pointless. the skins are infallible line is stupid. wtf do we have forums or even need to watch or discuss the games then? if gibbs is never wrong, why don't we win the superbowl every year?

you have no opinion until its all said and done, and at that point your opinion is that anyone with an opinion is wasting their time, and proceed to waste both your time and theirs writing about what a waste of time it is, even though this is a FORUM, for OPINIONS and DISCUSSION.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you said yourselt a lot of GMs and team are off... if you're really that opposed to people having opinions about it, please don't waste your time reading the threads and write long posts about how its pointless. the skins are infallible line is stupid. wtf do we have forums or even need to watch or discuss the games then? if gibbs is never wrong, why don't we win the superbowl every year?

you have no opinion until its all said and done, and at that point your opinion is that anyone with an opinion is wasting their time, and proceed to waste both your time and theirs writing about what a waste of time it is, even though this is a FORUM, for OPINIONS and DISCUSSION.

I'll clarify myself. I have no problem with the opinions. I like that we're expressing them and talking about the team's moves. What I do have a problem with is when certain people on this board start to think they really know something.

All I'm intending to do here is provide a reality check. You might think you know these prospects. But in the end none of us know better than the coaches.

Sure we can discuss it and argue it. It's pointless and meaningless to do so, but if it's fun for us then by all means let's talk about it. As long as we realize it's just for fun, and that we really have no clue.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

All I'm intending to do here is provide a reality check. You might think you know these prospects. But in the end none of us know better than the coaches.

coaches can also make mistakes... I get that they have more information (I would too if i had 20+ scouts working for me), but it comes across as if you think, just because someone has a title, they become infallible in every way.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

coaches can also make mistakes... I get that they have more information (I would too if i had 20+ scouts working for me), but it comes across as if you think, just because someone has a title, they become infallible in every way.

No they're not infallible. I don't mean to suggest that. But to think that anyone here is qualified to critcize their decisions before even seeing the player put on a uniform is ridiculous. We just have to wait and see.

Then if McIntosh sucks, then we all get to say gee that was dumb. There's nothing wrong with questioning the move, But considering the success on first-day picks so far in Gibbs' second term, I'd say we have to hold off on criticizing.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

...But considering the success on first-day picks so far in Gibbs' second term, I'd say we have to hold off on criticizing.

You mean like Jason Campbell? We spent a ton to trade up into the first round and draft a guy who will be competing for the backup position in his second year.

As for the move to get Rocky, I think the price was too high. The very next pick New England moved up almost as many spots and it only cost them a low third round pick this year to do it. I don't think it was worth next year's #2 and this year's 6th to move that high up for him. Of course, if he really does end up being a solid starter, we've filled a major area of need and the price wouldn't seem too bad. Only time will tell.