And the idiot of the year award goes to............

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-01-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

people,repeat after me,the texans do not need reggie bush.their defense was horrible last year and they probably should have traded down and got dbrickashaw ferguson because nearly got killed last year

A trade with them and the Jets should have been orchestrated. The Jets needed Bush, they needed Brick.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-01-2006, 01:22 PM

On a side note, did everyone enjoy the collective blowfest of the top three picks? During the WHOLE draft, all we got to see was footage of Bush, Williams and Brick.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 05-01-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

On a side note, did everyone enjoy the collective blowfest of the top three picks? During the WHOLE draft, all we got to see was footage of Bush, Williams and Brick.

Personally I just hate how as soon as you hit the 2nd round, ESPN feels the need to keep recapping the first round over and over again. Then through the whole rest of the draft you're forced to try to play catch up as the players get announced in the background and you have to keep watching a bottom-line ticker to follow what's going on while 15 different people have to comment on what already happened 4 hours ago. For me, I'd rather them just keep current on each pick through at least the first day of the draft and show us film and pluses and minuses of each pick as they happen. I guess they think that only the first round guys can keep America interested, but for those of us who really know football and want to get introduced to every player who gets picked, it's frustrating.

Ok, that's my rant for the day.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-01-2006, 01:31 PM

Seriously though. I mean they were STILL on their knees over Leinhart WAY late in the draft.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 05-01-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Seriously though. I mean they were STILL on their knees over Leinhart WAY late in the draft.

Agreed......it's sickening.

FRPLG · 05-01-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Former Redskins and current Teaxans GM Charlie Casserly.

We all remember Charlie Casserly for how he built the mighty Redskins dynasty of the 90's with marque franchise players like Heath Schuler and Michael Westbrook.

Now Casserly is helping the Texans establish the same type of dominance that he built with the Redskins throughout the 90's. Let it be told that Ralph Wilson almost took the award but with passing up on Reggie Bush considering all the money he would have brought and the games he would have won we had to give the award to good old Charlie.

I mean lets look at the other succesful D-Lineman selected first overall. Future Hall-of-Famers like Dan Wilkinson, Courtney Brown, Steve Emtman, and Russell Maryland.

Congrads Charlie...You earned it.

Casserly was a Bush guy. Kubiak made this pick because Casserly is out the door. I don't think Casserly is any good either but you can't lay this decision on him really. As for those who think it was a good move. You do not pass on a guy universally regarded as the best player to come out of the draft in years. You do not draft a guy who had an ABOVE AVERAGE college career because he looks big and is fast. At the very least if you think you can get by on passing on Bush you HAVE to find a trade partner. It is called getting value out their pick. They drafted a guy who was not worthy of the first pick with the first pick. That is how you don't do it. You trade back and get some value. If they need defense help anyways Hawk is a safer bet. I gurantee they could have traded to 4 and picked Hawk. The market deteremines what a pick kis worth and they misspent theirs.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 05-01-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Casserly was a Bush guy. Kubiak made this pick because Casserly is out the door. I don't think Casserly is any good either but you can't lay this decision on him really. As for those who think it was a good move. You do not pass on a guy universally regarded as the best player to come out of the draft in years. You do not draft a guy who had an ABOVE AVERAGE college career because he looks big and is fast. At the very least if you think you can get by on passing on Bush you HAVE to find a trade partner. It is called getting value out their pick. They drafted a guy who was not worthy of the first pick with the first pick. That is how you don't do it. You trade back and get some value. If they need defense help anyways Hawk is a safer bet. I gurantee they could have traded to 4 and picked Hawk. The market deteremines what a pick kis worth and they misspent theirs.

From what I heard, almost every team had Bush and Williams 1 and 2 in some order, so I'm not so sure most people in the NFL would agree that Williams was only above average.

I'll agree with you that they should have traded out of the pick, but you don't really know who they would have traded with. If it's the Saints, how much are they really going to get? If you trade with anyone other than the Saints, how do you know that the Saints won't pick Williams at #2? Then you don't have Bush, and you don't have Williams. I suppose they could still take Brick (which, I would actually call a great move if they were able to trade down to 4 and get him), but if you're really sold on Williams (as a lot of teams were), then you have to get your guy. At the end of the day, I don't think we can criticize all that much for the Texans taking a player maybe one position ahead of where he was projected.

jhold4th · 05-01-2006, 01:46 PM

Charley is a pile.
In November 93, Richie Pettibone was struggling in his first year as head coach. Charlie meets Norv at midfield prior to Cowboys v Redskins game to discuss coming to the Skins. A heinous crime. Charlie, for this reason, eeks out Norv as the worst person in Redskins history.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-01-2006, 01:59 PM

I concur. Bush played on an all-star team. You see how many USC players got taken in the first two rounds?

ChickenMonkey · 05-01-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I concur. Bush played on an all-star team. You see how many USC players got taken in the first two rounds?

U cant consider USC an ALLstar tam if they didnt have Reggie Bush,,without Bush they would have sucked,,everytime they needed Offense(BLING) REGGIE BUSH. I had season tickets to the USC games, if bush wasnt there I couldnt have given them away.

MS

PSUSkinsFan21 · 05-01-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

U cant consider USC an ALLstar tam if they didnt have Reggie Bush,,without Bush they would have sucked,,everytime they needed Offense(BLING) REGGIE BUSH. I had season tickets to the USC games, if bush wasnt there I couldnt have given them away.

MS

Again, if he was so incredible, why wasn't he their primary RB? Why wasn't he in on every play?

PSUSkinsFan21 · 05-01-2006, 02:06 PM

And every time he touched the ball he had fresh legs. I mean, if he's really THAT special, then why did USC give the ball to Lendell White more than Reggie Bush? If the Texans deserve the idiot award, then what about USC? They had the allegedly best college football player to come along since God-knows-when.......yet they didn't give him the ball on every play? Or even a majority of their running plays? Doesn't make sense to me.

redsk1 · 05-01-2006, 02:31 PM

I'll go on record to say the Texans made a mistake in my opinion. When you have a chance to pick up a game changing RB (potentially), you gotta do it. Especially if you are the Texans. It changes their whole offense. They've made some upgrades to their line, they have some good WR's, and to add a Reggie Bush to the mix would instantly upgrade their offense. Teams would have to honor someone that could take it the distance from 80 yards out which would open up the field for everyone. Not to mention boost ticket/merchandise sales for their business.

Not to say that Williams won't be good but its much more of a risk taking an DE. Look at history.

htownskinfan · 05-01-2006, 02:33 PM

I heard charlie on the radio this moring,in fairness to him,this pick sounds more like this was kubiacks descision,when asked about trading down he said they had absolutely no offers at all to trade out of the pick,they contacted the jets and the jets werent interested,williams was the guy they wanted so they had to take him 1st because there were no trading partners

That Guy · 05-01-2006, 03:28 PM

bush was drafted on production, williams was drafted on potential.

the texans felt they had a PB returner, a good RB that can catch and 2 #1 WRs. I think bush should have been the pick anyways, but they decided williams would be a bigger improvement over what they already had.

the best WRs this draft were bush (all around) and vernon davis (not good on deep balls).

05-01-2006, 01:31 PM	#4
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 19,272	Re: And the idiot of the year award goes to............ Seriously though. I mean they were STILL on their knees over Leinhart WAY late in the draft. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-01-2006, 01:46 PM	#8
jhold4th Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Omaha Age: 62 Posts: 57	Re: And the idiot of the year award goes to............ Charley is a pile. In November 93, Richie Pettibone was struggling in his first year as head coach. Charlie meets Norv at midfield prior to Cowboys v Redskins game to discuss coming to the Skins. A heinous crime. Charlie, for this reason, eeks out Norv as the worst person in Redskins history. __________________ "Die you dirty dogs, die!!!" Sam Wyche, December 1972

05-01-2006, 01:59 PM	#9
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 19,272	Re: And the idiot of the year award goes to............ I concur. Bush played on an all-star team. You see how many USC players got taken in the first two rounds? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-01-2006, 02:06 PM	#12
PSUSkinsFan21 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA Age: 50 Posts: 1,340	Re: And the idiot of the year award goes to............ And every time he touched the ball he had fresh legs. I mean, if he's really THAT special, then why did USC give the ball to Lendell White more than Reggie Bush? If the Texans deserve the idiot award, then what about USC? They had the allegedly best college football player to come along since God-knows-when.......yet they didn't give him the ball on every play? Or even a majority of their running plays? Doesn't make sense to me. __________________ "Hail to the Redskins!" and "Fight on State!"

05-01-2006, 02:31 PM	#13
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: And the idiot of the year award goes to............ I'll go on record to say the Texans made a mistake in my opinion. When you have a chance to pick up a game changing RB (potentially), you gotta do it. Especially if you are the Texans. It changes their whole offense. They've made some upgrades to their line, they have some good WR's, and to add a Reggie Bush to the mix would instantly upgrade their offense. Teams would have to honor someone that could take it the distance from 80 yards out which would open up the field for everyone. Not to mention boost ticket/merchandise sales for their business. Not to say that Williams won't be good but its much more of a risk taking an DE. Look at history.

05-01-2006, 01:22 PM	#2
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 19,272	Re: And the idiot of the year award goes to............ On a side note, did everyone enjoy the collective blowfest of the top three picks? During the WHOLE draft, all we got to see was footage of Bush, Williams and Brick. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-01-2006, 02:33 PM	#14
htownskinfan JUST LIVIN Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: houston,tx Age: 64 Posts: 4,943	Re: And the idiot of the year award goes to............ I heard charlie on the radio this moring,in fairness to him,this pick sounds more like this was kubiacks descision,when asked about trading down he said they had absolutely no offers at all to trade out of the pick,they contacted the jets and the jets werent interested,williams was the guy they wanted so they had to take him 1st because there were no trading partners

05-01-2006, 03:28 PM	#15
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: And the idiot of the year award goes to............ bush was drafted on production, williams was drafted on potential. the texans felt they had a PB returner, a good RB that can catch and 2 #1 WRs. I think bush should have been the pick anyways, but they decided williams would be a bigger improvement over what they already had. the best WRs this draft were bush (all around) and vernon davis (not good on deep balls).

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