Preseason NFC Rankings: Trailing the Giants and Cowboys?

[PWNED]

[mooby]

Well, it could be worse. I mean, imagine if he put us below tenth in the NFC. That would mean his opinion of us is even worse. And plus, he did say we could have the best safety tandem in the NFL, as well as saying Carter could be the most underrated pickup this offseason. That's better than saying we made some of the worst free agent moves out there. Look at it this way, if his AFC and NFC rankings were combined, at least we'd be top ten, possibly top eight.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

That's honestly what I'm hoping for. I hope we get to see him play with the first team during the preseason some.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

But you can't count "missed field goals" if you don't count key plays for and against in the game. That's just the nature of the game.

And don't give me fantasy stats about what TO "would have had" if you're going to talk to me about fairy tales. Count what you had last year, because TO is TRULY a wild card. This is what I'm talking about when I say ON PAPER. You don't know how TO is going to behave, you don't know what kind of production he would have had after McNabb went down. Take out what you "assumed" TO would have had. Listen, it's not like I'm giving the Cowboys no credit, because my whole reason for disagreement was because you ranked them above the Skins ON PAPER.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Also, if you're going to count TO, then you might want to count the likely scenario of what happened in Philly last year and just give him the same number of yards he had there because just the same thing could easily happen in Dallas. McNabb is also a far superior QB to Bledsoe.

ALSO, you might want to think about the fact that Dallas was FORCED to throw often because they had no running game to speak of.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

The Skins had a 1500 yard rusher and STILL managed to have a receiver rank second in the league and a tight end have almost 800 yards receiving.

This isn't me being a Cowboy hater at all. This really is just me disagreeing with you that the Cowboys should be ranked above the Skins preseason-wise.

[D'BOYZ]

you say you base on paper but you still also at the end go down to scenarios saying you don't know what TO will do ok let's say paper wise ok just plain talent.
not counting what iff ok

TO > MOSS
Glenn > Randall
Crayton/ Fasano < Lloyd
Witten = Cooley
JJ/Barber < Portis
Bledsoe = Brunell ( I'm giving = because they both close bad the season even thought I prefer Bledsoe any day of the week but here we can agree to disagree)

So on Paper is this accurate?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

you say you base on paper but you still also at the end go down to scenarios saying you don't know what TO will do ok let's say paper wise ok just plain talent.
not counting what iff ok

TO > MOSS
Glenn > Randall
Crayton/ Fasano < Lloyd
Witten = Cooley
JJ/Barber < Portis
Bledsoe = Brunell ( I'm giving = because they both close bad the season even thought I prefer Bledsoe any day of the week but here we can agree to disagree)

So on Paper is this accurate?

Hmmmmm. I would give you that. Honestly though, I still think Moss brings more to the table. It's just TOs past dominance. I think Moss is just now beginning to dominate, but I'll give you that.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

HAHAHA What?! I'm glad you pointed that out BSB. Our team is more pass-oriented?!?!?! Come on now. You were presenting a decent argument until that.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Actually I checked the stats on the whole rush-pass thing. I retract my previous statement, HOWEVER the Skins without a doubt had a more prolific running attack and Dallas had a few more attempts than the Skins but without getting near the yardage per game the Skins had.

[D'BOYZ]

Sorry Malcom had to go last night didn't had time to continue with this here we go then.

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Actually I checked the stats on the whole rush-pass thing. I retract my previous statement, HOWEVER the Skins without a doubt had a more prolific running attack and Dallas had a few more attempts than the Skins but without getting near the yardage per game the Skins had.

So we agree Redskins were more pass orientented last year and I agree they were more succesfull in their running attack than Dallas ( a lot had to do with the second half of the season when we lost Adams and the hole Oline colaps). We can also agree that with Sauder on board and the additions of Lloyd and Randall it will be an even more pass oriented offense this year, That's what in paper your team shows

Agreed

The good thing is, the Cowboys were right behind the Skins in rushes for the year, but the Skins averaged more than half a yard more.

Covered this in the past one

Hmmmmm. I would give you that. Honestly though, I still think Moss brings more to the table. It's just TOs past dominance. I think Moss is just now beginning to dominate, but I'll give you that.

I don't Agree with your Moss statement, he hasn't been consistant enough as TO has for the past years, This was the best year in yards Moss has had and he only scored 9tds and he had come off a bad year when he didn't even reach 1000, TO has posted double digit TD in 5 of the past 7 years and over 1000 in 6 of the past 7 (I'm excluding last year).

TO still is the most productive wideout in the NFL and the more feared or he shares that spot with only 2 players Harrison and Moss there are only 2 other WR that are starting to get the same kind of respect Chad Johnson and Steve Smith now if Moss shows the same consistency this year then you can start count him at starting to dominate.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

The good thing is, the Cowboys were right behind the Skins in rushes for the year, but the Skins averaged more than half a yard more.

[saden1]

Not everyone in the NFC will go or can go to the playoffs (or could they?) so it is only logical that at least two teams in the NFC won't make it and therefore there is really no point in placing all the teams at the top of the NFC.

It's hard to predict right now who can win the division but we certainly say Philly is the underdog in the division. The Cowboys are a good team and to discount them would be a big mistake. Remember, the last server really close games last year. The loss of the aging Larry Allen isn't as significant as some might think. The Giants overachieved last year. I'm not sure if the same can be expected from them this year, especially if their DB situation doesn't improve. Plaxico and Shockey taking plays off doesn't help either. Getting Sam Madison should help and if Arrington can get back to form, they'll have a very solid LB corp.

[GTripp0012]

I'll rank em:

1. Washington
2. Chicago
3. Carolina
4. Tampa Bay
5. Seattle
6. Dallas
7. Arizona
8. Giants
9. Falcons
10. Vikings
11. Eagles
12. Saints
13. 49ers
14. Lions
15. Rams
16. Packers

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'll rank em:

1. Washington
2. Chicago
3. Carolina
4. Tampa Bay
5. Seattle
6. Dallas
7. Arizona
8. Giants
9. Falcons
10. Vikings
11. Eagles
12. Saints
13. 49ers
14. Lions
15. Rams
16. Packers

hahahaha man this is what the therm FAN glows and reallity just goes to the toilet.

Ok I don't disagree the redskins have a chance this year to go to the big game (as dallas does) but to put them right now as the best team in the NFC it's just wack

and putting chicago at #2 tampa #4, and last year NFC champion and contender at #5 and #3 to teams that only lost 1 important player each (hutchinson, Widerspoon) but cover the mayority of their holes is just not real.

Also putting Arizona a team that yes got james but have huge oline problems and haven't been consistant with their talent above the giants and Eagles wow also the rams below the 49 that don't have a team and detroit that don't have a qb it's huge .