Junior Seau a Redskin??

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Sigh.

Here we go again with the 'he can be a mentor to the younger guys' cliche.

It is the responsibility of the coaches to teach rookies how to play, and to mentor them. Rocky and Clemons will "learn" just fine from Gregg Williams and Dale Lindsey. There's nothing that Junior Seau can do now, or used to do when he was in his prime that will somehow magically transform Rocky or Clemons into something they weren't before.

The coaches have seen it all, and they know all the techniques that were taught to Junior Seau when he came into the league. It was his special, natural abilities that enabled him to exceed other linebackers who weren't as talented as him. Learning from Junior Seau isn't going make Rocky, Clemons or Marcus Washington better players, or somehow turn them into the player he once was -- which, I suspect, is what some fans hope for.

So, can we please dispense with this notion once and for all?

I agree 100%. Seau is not some sage who is going to impart all of his wisdom onto the young Rocky McIntosh. That notion is retarded. Seau, if he's signed, will come in to compete for a spot. He's not going to coach the guys who are competing for his spot.

Someone please, PLEASE find me a situation in the NFL in which an old guy actually tutored a younger guy and made a difference in the younger guy's career? Players can try to learn from other players by watching how the best players go about their business, they can learn by example. But if you ask me, even if we sign Junior Seau, I don't want Rocky McIntosh watching the example Seau sets. I want him watching Marcus Washington.

[Manusky91]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Someone please, PLEASE find me a situation in the NFL in which an old guy actually tutored a younger guy and made a difference in the younger guy's career? Players can try to learn from other players by watching how the best players go about their business, they can learn by example. But if you ask me, even if we sign Junior Seau, I don't want Rocky McIntosh watching the example Seau sets. I want him watching Marcus Washington.

I would have to say that Darrell Green tutored and made a difference in Champ Bailey's career. Also, if even for a little while, Chris Carter mentored Randy Moss.

[TheMasterScratch]

My first instinct was that Seau for a cheap price would be a great addition for depth purposes.

But I dont think so now. I like what we have and with our coaches we should be able to find what we need already on the roster.

[TheInspector]

Welcome, TheMasterScratch!

[TheMasterScratch]

Originally Posted by TheInspector

Welcome, TheMasterScratch!

Thanks for the welcome! Found this site a few months ago and been reading the posts. Finally decided to register and contribute a bit to discussions.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Manusky91

I would have to say that Darrell Green tutored and made a difference in Champ Bailey's career. Also, if even for a little while, Chris Carter mentored Randy Moss.

Made a difference? How? In what way? You're saying that Darrell Green was able to contribute something to Champ Bailey that the coaches didn't? Where did Darrell Green learn that?

Chris Carter has certainly not been modest in his attempt to convince everyone that he made a difference in Moss' attitude and affected the way he carried himself on and off the field. What we see from Randy Moss from time to time to this day leaves it a matter of debate as to how successful Carter really was.

I suppose we'll have to define our premise when we say that players can learn from each other. Players at all stages of their career are gathering new things, and are always learning. Each of us learns something new everyday, no matter how old we are or what our experiences have already given us. In that aspect, no one can deny that rookies are learning many things from many different sources. But what I'm addressing is the tiresome cliche that fans love to toss around: "He's a leader who can teach the younger guys – and maybe they'll be able to emulate him and learn to play just like he did!" As if it is some magical, mystical ability that only people like Seau, or Darrell Green can impart on a younger player – something that the coaches may have missed. It’s a pipe dream – one that only the fans could conjure up.

In terms of the basic techniques, the fundamentals, I maintain it's the coaches that have taught every player how to play the game. It's exactly the same knowledge that was taught to guys like Darrell Green and Junior Seau. Only their special talents enabled them to rise above the rest. They won’t be able to teach guys how to run faster, or get to the ball carrier quicker.

Brett Favre said it himself when everyone kept asking him if he's going to be a "mentor" to Aaron Rogers. At one point he finally said it, and he was right -- that's the job of the coaches, not the players.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Made a difference? How? In what way? You're saying that Darrell Green was able to contribute something to Champ Bailey that the coaches didn't? Where did Darrell Green learn that?

you know a lot of players become coaches right? like, i don't know, jerry gray (DC/ DBs coach) who was a CB for 9 years. A player can be an extra set of eyes looking at a guy's technique and other teams' film to study tendencies. actual experience with other players from other teams can give them insight and good first hand scouting reports too. (ie marcus played in indy for years. Since we only see them once every four years, he probably has a better handle on some of the individual tendencies of thier players right now).

not to mention the off field stuff. players are more likely to listen when vets closer to their age tell what they should do or that something's stupid than a 60+ year old coach (who's part of management).

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Made a difference? How? In what way? You're saying that Darrell Green was able to contribute something to Champ Bailey that the coaches didn't? Where did Darrell Green learn that?

Mabye 20 years in the NFL, learning from a variety of coaches, players, and situations. He is one of the greatest corners of all time because of his mental and physical ability to adapt to situations before and after the snap. To make the argument that players don't contribute to other players is simply retarded. You can downplay the significance as much as you want, but Champ Bailey would not have adapted to the NFL as quick as he did without DG. If you disagree you're crazy.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I agree 100%. Seau is not some sage who is going to impart all of his wisdom onto the young Rocky McIntosh. That notion is retarded. Seau, if he's signed, will come in to compete for a spot. He's not going to coach the guys who are competing for his spot.

Someone please, PLEASE find me a situation in the NFL in which an old guy actually tutored a younger guy and made a difference in the younger guy's career? Players can try to learn from other players by watching how the best players go about their business, they can learn by example. But if you ask me, even if we sign Junior Seau, I don't want Rocky McIntosh watching the example Seau sets. I want him watching Marcus Washington.

I bet no one on the line learned a thing from Ray Brown.

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