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[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by TheInspector

You are totally correct, but I think you have confused what IS with how it OUGHT to be--just because that is the reality, doesn't mean that it is right or acceptable. I see that insurance is the problem here--not negligent people. The government doesn't have the right to tell people how to live, unless it endangers other people (people should have the right to endanger their own lives, IMO). Riding without a helmet only endangers the bike rider (and not others). So if the only justification for telling people how to live their lives is so insurance premiums will not rise, that is a weak argument.

The problem with insurance rates is the government's problem--they are supposed to provide for the healthcare of their citizens (IMO). Since they cannot (read: do not want to), they have created the health insurance industry (privatization at its worst). If the government's only solution for their failure to provide adequate healthcare is to impose unnecessary restrictions on how their citizens live, then we are in desperate need of a revolution.

BTW, if you cannot already tell, I HATE insurance. It's the biggest scam EVER. ...and yes, I am ready for everyone to tell me how BAD things would be without insurance (and how naive I am).

I work for a Health System in Philadelphia in the finance department. I'm not going to get into a big thing, but suffice it to say you know nothing about the business. Socialized healthcare results in horrible standards of care.

Healthcare in the US is some of the most expensive in the world, but it's also BY FAR the best.

[TheInspector]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

...suffice it to say you know nothing about the business...

And let the comments about naivety come pouring in!

I don't need to know insurance business, because all business is the same: profits rule, and nothing else matters. It's a flaw in the corporate model (you probably learned about that in ethics).

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by TheInspector

And let the comments about naivity come pouring in!

I don't need to know insurance business, because all business is the same: profits rule, and nothing else matters. It's a flaw in the corporate model (you probably learned about that in ethics).

A flaw in the corporate model??? Any business owner's goal is to have his business succeed - success in business is typically measured by one's profit.

For the purpose of discussion I'll ignore the flawed, gross over-generalization that "nothing else matters." Pursuit of profit is not a flaw, it's the natural outworking of the pursuit of success. Maybe in a eutopian world every business would solely exist for the good of mankind, but we live on the planet earth where money is kind of important.

As a side rant while I'm thinking about it, it always blows me away at how mad people get at Microsoft for apparently being wealthy and successful. Microsoft simply did better business than everyone else and reaped the rewards - should we expect a successful company to just start giving things away when they reach a certain level of wealth? That totally flies in the face of the mindset that got that company there in the first place. Why the hell do people get angry at businesses succeeding? It's what makes the opportunitites and benefits that we enjoy possible.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by mheisig

A flaw in the corporate model??? Any business owner's goal is to have his business succeed - success in business is typically measured by one's profit.

For the purpose of discussion I'll ignore the flawed, gross over-generalization that "nothing else matters." Pursuit of profit is not a flaw, it's the natural outworking of the pursuit of success. Maybe in a eutopian world every business would solely exist for the good of mankind, but we live on the planet earth where money is kind of important.

As a side rant while I'm thinking about it, it always blows me away at how mad people get at Microsoft for apparently being wealthy and successful. Microsoft simply did better business than everyone else and reaped the rewards - should we expect a successful company to just start giving things away when they reach a certain level of wealth? That totally flies in the face of the mindset that got that company there in the first place. Why the hell do people get angry at businesses succeeding? It's what makes the opportunitites and benefits that we enjoy possible.

There is not anything wrong with the pursuit of profit, but there just seems to be something off with combining the pursuit of greater profit and healthcare. Don't get me wrong : doctors and all the healthcare workers deserve what they get paid, but trying to gain as much money out of anything you can just seems wrong to me. And this is mainly aimed at the corporate and committee heads that focus on the bottomline.

[TheInspector]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

There is not anything wrong with the pursuit of profit, but there just seems to be something off with combining the pursuit of greater profit and healthcare. Don't get me wrong : doctors and all the healthcare workers deserve what they get paid, but trying to gain as much money out of anything you can just seems wrong to me. And this is mainly aimed at the corporate and committee head that focus on the bottomline.

AMEN!

[TheInspector]

Originally Posted by mheisig

A flaw in the corporate model??? Any business owner's goal is to have his business succeed - success in business is typically measured by one's profit.

For the purpose of discussion I'll ignore the flawed, gross over-generalization that "nothing else matters."

Take a look at the Ford Pinto case.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I work for a Health System in Philadelphia in the finance department. I'm not going to get into a big thing, but suffice it to say you know nothing about the business. Socialized healthcare results in horrible standards of care.

Healthcare in the US is some of the most expensive in the world, but it's also BY FAR the best.

You're right. Government control is NEVER better than control by the private market. It takes away competition and therefore lowers standards and stops striving to appeal to customers.

Last week, I heard a story about a woman in Canada who was pregnant. She was having discomfort and went to the ER, only to be sent home and asked to come back the next day since she wasn't dying. She went home and went into labor, only to lose the baby in her own bathroom because the hospital turned her away and she had no access to doctors.

That's only a single example of the mess that the socialists have made in Canada. Sure, they say everyone has healthcare, but it's the worst in the world. There's a 6-month wait for any non-life threatening surgery, which causes a lot of people to suffer and too often die while waiting for the government-controlled hospital to come up with funds to treat them.

Beware of Hillary Clinton. She wants us to be like Canada.

It's also a myth that "every American needs healthcare". Every American DOES have healthcare. You won't be turned away by a hospital and if you call an ambulance, they'll come. Even if you don't live here, whether you're a visitor to the country or an invader of the country from Mexico, you'll be treated. What the socialists want is FREE healthcare for every American. First of all, it won't be free. Your taxes will go up a LOT. Secondly, you really shouldn't expect the government to pay for things like cosmetic surgery. If the government takes over the healthcare in our country, it will be devastating to the quality and availability of care. European nations and Canada who have taken the market out of healthcare and tried to fund it solely with taxmoney and politicians' rules have become dangerous places to live. There's a reason so many people come to the USA for surgeries and healthcare from foreign nations, we have the BEST in the world. As long as competition and the free market push it, it will remain so.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Healthcare in the US is some of the most expensive in the world, but it's also BY FAR the best.

I don't think that it can be argued that the United States provides some of the best healthcare services in the world, but the issue is that it is too expensive.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the services, but the healthcare/insurance system is screwed up. I admit I wouldn't know how to fix it ( and I doubt that a lot of people would either ), but all I can tell you: what it comes down to, we are required to pay expensive insurance rates or healthcare service payments or we risk ours and our loved ones' health.