Simply put, FEMA sucks!!

[Monkeydad]

100% correct. New Orleans had been warned for 30 years their levies would not withstand a category 3 or more hurricane and didn't do a thing. The local city officials, ESPECIALLY Mr. Chocolate City Mayor Nagin requested millions of dollars all of the time to upgrade them and spent the money building casinos and blowing it on fun things. The Governor of LA was JUST as bad, very VERY corrupt.

Laws even state that the first response and main responsibility for preparation and evacuation lies with local government. FEMA has in their policies that local governments must be prepared to wait up to 48 hours before they can take over things after the storm. It's like that everywhere in the nation and only New Orleans is stupid enough to be completeley unprepared. Katrina hit MISSISSIPPI directly, not New Orleans and you didn't see them blaming FEMA because they weren't ready. You didn't see them looting and shooting and blowing recovery funds on sex changes and porn. New Orleans is and was a very corrupt place and they've brought ALL of their troubles on themselves.

President Bush even called Nagin two days before the storm hit and said "Uhhh, are you going to do ANYTHING to get people out of the way?" as a reminder and unofficial suggestion. So what did Nagin do? NOTHING! He had hundreds of school buses that were flooded instead of on the road to get people out of the way of the flooding that the corrupt and irresponsible city officials caused by ignoring warnings and not fixing the levies for decades.

When people with the welfare mentality think the government should do EVERYTHING for them, they end up disappointed, as they SHOULD.

Originally Posted by firstdown

First off the engineers said that the leaves maybe breached. They never said that the leaves would total fail which is a hugh difference. Brown's job is to make the funds avalable for use and we see how some of the funds where abused. Here in Tidewater several years back we had a small hurricane and they found alot of abbuse and the one's caught where city and state social service empl..They acted like they did nothing wrong when caught and they do these things for a living and I think most wher not fired. What would happen if you stole money from your boss? People will take advantage of every situation and this was the biggest hurricane FEMA has had to deal with so the problems where even greater. Yes, Brown has to take some of the blame but its the crooks who have ripped us tax payers off. The problem is that the federal goverment runs poorly no matter who is in office and they wast more of our money than we will ever know. When was the last time the federal gov. had a program which ran on or below buddget. I would bet never. As long as we give and expect the federal gov. to take care of us the more we will see of these problems. Katrina residents did little to help themself, the state goverment did a poor job(and they just reelected their mayor) and FEMA did a poor job. All I know is when the next hurricane heads my way I will have all that I need to survive so I'm not dependent upon the state or federal goverment.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Buster

100% correct. New Orleans had been warned for 30 years their levies would not withstand a category 3 or more hurricane and didn't do a thing. The local city officials, ESPECIALLY Mr. Chocolate City Mayor Nagin requested millions of dollars all of the time to upgrade them and spent the money building casinos and blowing it on fun things. The Governor of LA was JUST as bad, very VERY corrupt.

Laws even state that the first response and main responsibility for preparation and evacuation lies with local government. FEMA has in their policies that local governments must be prepared to wait up to 48 hours before they can take over things after the storm. It's like that everywhere in the nation and only New Orleans is stupid enough to be completeley unprepared. Katrina hit MISSISSIPPI directly, not NO and you didn't see them blaming FEMA because they weren't ready. You didn't see them looting and shooting and blowing recovery funds on sex changes and porn. New Orleans is and was a very corrupt place and they've brought ALL of their troubles on themselves.

President Bush even called Nagin two days before the storm hit and said "Uhhh, are you going to do ANYTHING to get people out of the way?" as a reminder and unofficial suggestion. So what did Nagin do? NOTHING! He had hundreds of school buses that were flooded instead of on the road to get people out of the way of the flooding that the corrupt and irresponsible city officials caused by ignoring warnings and not fixing the levies for decades.

When people with the welfare mentality think the government should do EVERYTHING for them, they end up disappointed, as they SHOULD.

Perfectly stated.

It's the responsibility of the local government, not the Federal government, to take the first steps in responding to and preparing for such disasters. The local government in LA and New Orleans basically ignored all the warnings until it was too late, then tried to pin it on the Federal government.

Again, a complete inability for people to take responsibility for their actions. Even now the inability of the citizens to clean things up themselves even in minor ways is simply appalling. Everyone expects someone else to come and solve their problems.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Perfectly stated.

It's the responsibility of the local government, not the Federal government, to take the first steps in responding to and preparing for such disasters. The local government in LA and New Orleans basically ignored all the warnings until it was too late, then tried to pin it on the Federal government.

Again, a complete inability for people to take responsibility for their actions. Even now the inability of the citizens to clean things up themselves even in minor ways is simply appalling. Everyone expects someone else to come and solve their problems.

You know they found a survey of the New Orleans people about who would leave if a hurricane of a certain size was going to hit. I think something like 75% said they would not leave and ride out the hurricane. A hurricane does not realy bother me but one of that size and living below sea level I would have benn out of there.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You know they found a survey of the New Orleans people about who would leave if a hurricane of a certain size was going to hit. I think something like 75% said they would not leave and ride out the hurricane. A hurricane does not realy bother me but one of that size and living below sea level I would have benn out of there.

My uncle lives 1 block from the French Quarter. He realized the need to evacuate on his own and got out a day or two before Katrina hit. Most of his junk was destroyed, but he thought about it enough to save himself.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

My uncle lives 1 block from the French Quarter. He realized the need to evacuate on his own and got out a day or two before Katrina hit. Most of his junk was destroyed, but he thought about it enough to save himself.

That's great that he had the common sense that most people there didn't.

Really, the hurricane passed by and it didn't do much damage at all, it was the levies breaking afterwards that caused pretty much all of the damage. They'd be warned for decades and they didn't even have the sense to know that Mother Nature always wins.

I feel sorry for the older people who wanted to leave but the Mayor didn't want to start the buses for some unknown reason, but most of the people who stayed were just playing Russian Roulette with their life.

It's a party town. You can't expect responsible people to live there for the most part. Look how they had their Mardi Gras boobie party a few months later when they could've been spending the funding on cleanup and getting people back into their homes. Personally, I don't think they should waste the money to rebuild the city, it will STILL be in a position below sea level that will leave it vulnerable to being flushed again. It's just NOT a place to build a city and since all of the port businesses have been leaving for years anyways, it's no longer useful for the purpose that it was built for in that toilet bowl-like position.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Buster

100% correct. New Orleans had been warned for 30 years their levies would not withstand a category 3 or more hurricane and didn't do a thing. The local city officials, ESPECIALLY Mr. Chocolate City Mayor Nagin requested millions of dollars all of the time to upgrade them and spent the money building casinos and blowing it on fun things. The Governor of LA was JUST as bad, very VERY corrupt.

Laws even state that the first response and main responsibility for preparation and evacuation lies with local government. FEMA has in their policies that local governments must be prepared to wait up to 48 hours before they can take over things after the storm. It's like that everywhere in the nation and only New Orleans is stupid enough to be completeley unprepared. Katrina hit MISSISSIPPI directly, not New Orleans and you didn't see them blaming FEMA because they weren't ready. You didn't see them looting and shooting and blowing recovery funds on sex changes and porn. New Orleans is and was a very corrupt place and they've brought ALL of their troubles on themselves.

President Bush even called Nagin two days before the storm hit and said "Uhhh, are you going to do ANYTHING to get people out of the way?" as a reminder and unofficial suggestion. So what did Nagin do? NOTHING! He had hundreds of school buses that were flooded instead of on the road to get people out of the way of the flooding that the corrupt and irresponsible city officials caused by ignoring warnings and not fixing the levies for decades.

When people with the welfare mentality think the government should do EVERYTHING for them, they end up disappointed, as they SHOULD.

You're crazy man! You and your not blaming everything on Dubya. You have clearly lost it. You must be a card carrying Bushite.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

You're crazy man! You and your not blaming everything on Dubya. You have clearly lost it. You must be a card carrying Bushite.

No, I just don't call him Hitler and blame EVERYTHING on him because I hate him and want him out of office.

If you look at facts instead of agendas, you'll see the blame for Katrina is spread all around but mostly the local and state government was at fault.

The position of President doesn't even have legal jurisdiction to take over responsibilities that state and the federal Constitution have outlined as state responsibilities. Even if President Bush had wanted to push them out of the way and take over, he couldn't legally. He did what he could by making suggestions to get people out, but that's really all he was allowed to do. Look at Florida, they have 20 hurricanes a year and aren't in chaos by one in New Orleans that didn't even hit them directly.

Sign up for a civics course somewhere, it might help you understand. You can't rely on media reports for facts.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Buster

No, I just don't call him Hitler and blame EVERYTHING on him because I hate him and want him out of office.

If you look at facts instead of agendas, you'll see the blame for Katrina is spread all around but mostly the local and state government was at fault.

The position of President doesn't even have legal jurisdiction to take over responsibilities that state and the federal Constitution have outlined as state responsibilities. Even if President Bush had wanted to push them out of the way and take over, he couldn't legally. He did what he could by making suggestions to get people out, but that's really all he was allowed to do. Look at Florida, they have 20 hurricanes a year and aren't in chaos by one in New Orleans that didn't even hit them directly.

Sign up for a civics course somewhere, it might help you understand. You can't rely on media reports for facts.

I was kidding. I agree with you. My sarcasm doesn't carry well over the net usually. I should know better.

On a different note in the same vein. Is it me or does someone basically throwing bombs about a subject totally rule the political landscape right now? I say this because That Guy, who isn't here right now but I hope he comes back and participates ome more, basically is obviously really anti-Bush. Which most of us can understand. Things are screwded up everywhere and blame lays with him on some. But when people make statements followed by logical and reasonable rebuttals and the original person making the statements justs yells and screams about it don't they invalidate themselves? That Guy come back and continue this!

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I was kidding. I agree with you. My sarcasm doesn't carry well over the net usually. I should know better.

On a different note in the same vein. Is it me or does someone basically throwing bombs about a subject totally rule the political landscape right now? I say this because That Guy, who isn't here right now but I hope he comes back and participates ome more, basically is obviously really anti-Bush. Which most of us can understand. Things are screwded up everywhere and blame lays with him on some. But when people make statements followed by logical and reasonable rebuttals and the original person making the statements justs yells and screams about it don't they invalidate themselves? That Guy come back and continue this!

You forgot to set your sarcasm bit.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I was kidding. I agree with you. My sarcasm doesn't carry well over the net usually. I should know better.

On a different note in the same vein. Is it me or does someone basically throwing bombs about a subject totally rule the political landscape right now? I say this because That Guy, who isn't here right now but I hope he comes back and participates ome more, basically is obviously really anti-Bush. Which most of us can understand. Things are screwded up everywhere and blame lays with him on some. But when people make statements followed by logical and reasonable rebuttals and the original person making the statements justs yells and screams about it don't they invalidate themselves? That Guy come back and continue this!

You would think so...

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I was kidding. I agree with you. My sarcasm doesn't carry well over the net usually. I should know better.

On a different note in the same vein. Is it me or does someone basically throwing bombs about a subject totally rule the political landscape right now? I say this because That Guy, who isn't here right now but I hope he comes back and participates ome more, basically is obviously really anti-Bush. Which most of us can understand. Things are screwded up everywhere and blame lays with him on some. But when people make statements followed by logical and reasonable rebuttals and the original person making the statements justs yells and screams about it don't they invalidate themselves? That Guy come back and continue this!

We should have an official sarcasm font color or something. Sorry about that, I'm just a little edgy with the people who hate Bush but can't tell you why with actual facts. They're everywhere. They never use facts, they only argue with emotions. They'll even hope for bad news for the nation because they hate a single man so much. It's the COOL thing to do according to Hollywood scumbags and MTV, but thankfully MOST of them aren't old enough to vote and if they are...are too lazy to leave their computers to do so.

Yeah, like I said, there's a LOT of blame to go around about Katrina, but to try to place it on any single person or even agency if just stupid.

Hey, I heard sirens go by...I hope Bush and his cronies are responding NOW. If someone is sick, it's HIS fault if they die.

See how stupid that mindset is? He can't be everywhere all of the time and really, he isn't supposed to be. That's why we have state and even local governments...for LOCAL issues.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Buster

We should have an official sarcasm font color or something. Sorry about that, I'm just a little edgy with the people who hate Bush but can't tell you why with actual facts. They're everywhere. They never use facts, they only argue with emotions. They'll even hope for bad news for the nation because they hate a single man so much. It's the COOL thing to do according to Hollywood scumbags and MTV, but thankfully MOST of them aren't old enough to vote and if they are...are too lazy to leave their computers to do so.

Yeah, like I said, there's a LOT of blame to go around about Katrina, but to try to place it on any single person or even agency if just stupid.

Hey, I heard sirens go by...I hope Bush and his cronies are responding NOW. If someone is sick, it's HIS fault if they die.

See how stupid that mindset is? He can't be everywhere all of the time and really, he isn't supposed to be. That's why we have state and even local governments...for LOCAL issues.

I liked now in the last election MTV and some other groups did all this work to get out the young vote. They talked about how the younger generation was going to show up in full force and become a factor in the elections. After the election there was a drop in the younger generations voting. I think its funny because all those MTV people thought they where doing something but its sad that more people do not get out and vote.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I liked now in the last election MTV and some other groups did all this work to get out the young vote. They talked about how the younger generation was going to show up in full force and become a factor in the elections. After the election there was a drop in the younger generations voting. I think its funny because all those MTV people thought they where doing something but its sad that more people do not get out and vote.

I remember that. That was hilarious.

Oh, to get back on topic...sure, I could say FEMA sucks. Any bureaucratic agency does...it doesn't make them evil though. It's just a fact of life.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I liked now in the last election MTV and some other groups did all this work to get out the young vote. They talked about how the younger generation was going to show up in full force and become a factor in the elections. After the election there was a drop in the younger generations voting. I think its funny because all those MTV people thought they where doing something but its sad that more people do not get out and vote.

I'm young and I voted. Probably not how MTV wanted me to, though.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I liked now in the last election MTV and some other groups did all this work to get out the young vote. They talked about how the younger generation was going to show up in full force and become a factor in the elections. After the election there was a drop in the younger generations voting. I think its funny because all those MTV people thought they where doing something but its sad that more people do not get out and vote.

Well "P Diddy" said to "Vote or Die," which MUST mean that's it's very important for me as a young person to vo...oh look! Shiny things on MySpace!