Patten to be released?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by offiss

I would be careful to judge any WR in our offense the previous 2 years, Moss's ability to seperate from defenders regardless of whether or not they knew where he was going is IMO a big reason why he's the only
WR to have any real success within the last 2 years.

What made Patton so great last season? In fact he was complaining about his lack of success in our offense before he pulled a Jacobs and was put on the IR. What made him a desirable commodity was the Patriot offense and Tom Brady, if you believe Jacobs wouldn't be head and shoulders better right now playing in that offense instead of our's the last 2 seaons your only kidding yourself, this season will be a true test for Jacobs, I believe he will excell under Saunders, the only question is can he stay healthy? And that's a big if, but I do believe the talent is there to be a top #4 WR.

I think the battle for the #4 spot will come down to value on specials, as I expect both players to really play well in the pre-season, and the fact that Patton is a veteran looking for significant playing time may winde him up else where but we will see.

I think you're so off the mark that it's as if you root for a different team and you just follow the Redskins in passing.

Jacobs never could have done what Patten did in the Patriots' offense, Offiss. Jacobs doesn't have the same speed. Patten put those numbers up by running fly-routes and post patterns mainly. Jacobs can't burn anybody, and he can't separate from defenders. Just check the quote, "They have DBs running 4.3, what do you want me to do?"

Secondly, you do realize that Patten was hurt in week 2, right? He was banged up for the next 5 games or so, and then got put on IR. Trying to determine what kind of player he is based solely on last season is nothing short of retarded. He made a name for himself in New England by flat out BURNING people, and when you have a balky knee, it's pretty hard to burn those DBs with the 4.3 speed that Jacobs loves to complain about.

And lastly, I can't believe you actually think the Skins are going to keep him. He's as good as cut, man. Anyone who thinks Jacobs has a chance at sticking around needs to pay closer attention to this team. He was a player SPURRIER drafted. Gibbs has given him chance after chance and he has been disappointing all the way.

In terms of special teams, last year we had two WRs taking part in special teams: Thrash and Jacobs. This year we'll also have two: Thrash and Randle-El (returning). There's nothing saying that we'll need Jacobs playing teams so desperately. Jimoh will be one gunner, and there are plenty of other options for the other gunner spot.

[724Skinsfan]

As the undisputed Fence Riding Champion Of The Known Free World, I must put my two cents in ...hey, wait that's not a penny!

(ahem)
If anyone thinks that our season's success rides on us keeping either Patten or Jacobs then the NFL needs to hand over the Lombardi trophy right now. I never have been a Jacobs fan. Patten is Patten. He's fast and shows a good work ethic, but he will be our #4 option. That's it. Whoopee! Keeping Patten does not put us that much closer to the championship game and keeping Jacobs doesn't put us that much farther away.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think you're so off the mark that it's as if you root for a different team and you just follow the Redskins in passing.

Jacobs never could have done what Patten did in the Patriots' offense, Offiss. Jacobs doesn't have the same speed. Patten put those numbers up by running fly-routes and post patterns mainly. Jacobs can't burn anybody, and he can't separate from defenders. Just check the quote, "They have DBs running 4.3, what do you want me to do?"

Secondly, you do realize that Patten was hurt in week 2, right? He was banged up for the next 5 games or so, and then got put on IR. Trying to determine what kind of player he is based solely on last season is nothing short of retarded. He made a name for himself in New England by flat out BURNING people, and when you have a balky knee, it's pretty hard to burn those DBs with the 4.3 speed that Jacobs loves to complain about.

And lastly, I can't believe you actually think the Skins are going to keep him. He's as good as cut, man. Anyone who thinks Jacobs has a chance at sticking around needs to pay closer attention to this team. He was a player SPURRIER drafted. Gibbs has given him chance after chance and he has been disappointing all the way.

In terms of special teams, last year we had two WRs taking part in special teams: Thrash and Jacobs. This year we'll also have two: Thrash and Randle-El (returning). There's nothing saying that we'll need Jacobs playing teams so desperately. Jimoh will be one gunner, and there are plenty of other options for the other gunner spot.

What do you think Jacobs was refering to with that comment? He was refering to the fact that CB's who run a 4.3 are laying back on the routes and wont allow a WR past them, there was no deception in the passing game CB's knew we were just going to run a straight route downfield, check the quotes by Portis he said the opposing defenses know whats coming, check out some quotes by opposing defenses they said we were very easy to figure out on offense that we were very simplistic, how many DB's did Patton run past last season? None, maybe that's why he was complaning so much.

That's pretty funny, all that's to the Patriots offense is Patton outrunning DB's, as if the structure of the patterns and the ability to isolate defenders had nothing to do with it along with who just may go down as the greatest QB ever. If that's so answer me this, how come Patten hasen't done that everywhere he's been? In fact the only place he's done it is New England, he didn't do it for the Giants which is one reason he was cut, he sure didn't do it for us.

I really wasen't a big fan of the Jacobs pick when we made it, but the guy has had some bad luck as far as injuries.

There is a reason Saunders was brought in and it's because our offensive scheme the past 2 years has been horid, we now have the best guy in the biz, and he wasen't brought in because we had no talent on offense he was brought in because we couldn't utilize the overall talent that we have, take a long hard look at G Williams, and take a look at the transformation of our defense in 1 off season without [as many like to say] our best defensive player in Arrington, many would have laughed if you told them before Williams arrived that Pierce would winde up being our best LB, and we wouldn't mis a beat with Marshall filling in for Lavar, but that's exactly what happened. The same will happen with Williams, he's done wherever he's been, and if both Patton and Jacobs excel in under Saunders well what will be the decision? Maybe both stay, but I wouldn't shut the kid down just yet until you have a chance to see him in a real NFL offense, make that an elite NFL offense!

I also get the feeling that Gibbs likes Jacobs, we know he likes Patton but I do believe he thinks Jacobs has talent, and considering Gibbs focus on special teams Jacobs is not dead in the water as of yet, Maybe he will be tossed aside, rest assured I don't think he's the second coming of Keenan Mcardel, but he may have a lot to offer that he wasen't able to showcase because of injuries and the type of previos offenses we have had.

Jimoh will be one gunner, and there are plenty of other options for the other gunner spot.

Well like who? Maybe Jacobs? He had a nice block on a punt during the season as well, the guy brings some nice intangables to the table as far as specials are concerned. It's funny you bring up Jimoh SCHNEED, is he a player you want to see in pass coverage? If not why not get rid of him and bring in one of your other options at gunner, let me know who they are?

[MTK]

Why is this year the big test for Jacobs vs. last year?

He had his chance last year and simply didn't step up at all. Patten is unquestionably the more accomplished and proven WR. That's not even debateable.

Regarding injuries, Patten had a legitimate injury and the team put him on IR, he didn't take himself out of a game with a headache like Jacobs did.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Right, Jacobs might have all or MORE of the physical tools needed, but he just doesn't have it upstairs.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Right, Jacobs might have all or MORE of the physical tools needed, but he just doesn't have it upstairs.

So we should have sent him to Europe years ago?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Coming out of Florida you couldn't have convinced me otherwise he would have sucked this much ass. I was one of the last people to fall off the Jacobs-bangwagon last year too. I think Daseal is the lone driver. I think we all gave him chance after chance and he never put up. When you make comments like the one's he's made, you lose faith in a guy.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Aren't you happy someone showed up for you to argue with Schneed? HAHAHA!

Saunders has done some magic with totally shitty receivers, but, and it pains me to say this, people like Eddie Kennison are far more of a man than Taylor Jacobs will ever be.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Aren't you happy someone showed up for you to argue with Schneed? HAHAHA!

Saunders has done some magic with totally shitty receivers, but, and it pains me to say this, people like Eddie Kennison are far more of a man than Taylor Jacobs will ever be.

Actually it is kind of nice to actually get some substantive Redskins discussion going around here again instead of just the parking lot play time.

But at the same time, I can't decide who I want to punch more, Taylor Jacobs or Offiss.

j/k Offiss

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Actually it is kind of nice to actually get some substantive Redskins discussion going around here again instead of just the parking lot play time.

But at the same time, I can't decide who I want to punch more, Taylor Jacobs or Offiss.

j/k Offiss

Something tells me you would have a real problem on your hands if you attempted either.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Actually it is kind of nice to actually get some substantive Redskins discussion going around here again instead of just the parking lot play time.

But at the same time, I can't decide who I want to punch more, Taylor Jacobs or Offiss.

j/k Offiss

Decisions, decisions, perhaps we should warn Portis that he's now in great peril of being punched by Snhneed, I sure hope this fear doesn't affect his performance on the field knowing Schneed could be learking some where in the stadium on game day.

He will probably wear one of his disguises on the field to fool Schneed, I would recommend that jedi mind tricks will work as well.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

J/K as in you're saying you're kidding to offiss or just kidding as in saying there's no hard choice, you'd rather punch offiss?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

J/K as in you're saying you're kidding to offiss or just kidding as in saying there's no hard choice, you'd rather punch offiss?

LOL

I was trying to say j/k to Offiss. But now that you mention it...

[TheMalcolmConnection]

About discussion though, there's no real discussion. I don't even see how there's a comparison between Patten and Jacobs. In the few games that Patten played he had more yards than Jacobs had in the rest of that season. I'd love to see some stats also on how many times they were thrown to.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

About discussion though, there's no real discussion. I don't even see how there's a comparison between Patten and Jacobs. In the few games that Patten played he had more yards than Jacobs had in the rest of that season. I'd love to see some stats also on how many times they were thrown to.

I agree. Just look at what happened to Moss' numbers when Patten went out on IR. Patten commanded attention. Defenses thought Taylor Jacobs was a joke.