We traded for T.J. Duckett?

[BigSKINBauer]

The eagles site was saying its a 3rd and 4th if our record is better than denver's. if our record is worse we trade 1sts which gives them a higher pick and give them a 3rd

[BigSKINBauer]

I know it is a horrible point to make but if saunders and gibbs wanted ducket then I would have to think that they are right. They got him for a reason. Snyder doesn't make the decisions anymore. Our coaching staff is the best ever and we have two offensive masterminds at work so i would trust their judgement and assessment of our running situation.

[Redskins8588]

That would be a hell of a goal line backfield to have Sellers lead block for Duckett, or vise versa...

[skinsttw]

I think we will keep Betts in case Portis doesn't heal. Duckett is a great red zone option.

[mike340]

Here's a possibility:

Mc2guy reviewed the game tapes and then posted. (Post 83 in thread "Any Positives from Tonights Game".) He said that Betts was very slow to hit the holes, up to 5 yards behind Sellers, and that the holes had closed by the time he got there. If you are the coaching staff and that's the case, what do you do? You get someone faster (Duckett) and, since Betts has good trade value, use him to get an important backup. I assume they're seeing the same weakness in the backups as we are. I don't see us getting that much trade value out of Rock.

[bertoskins2]

how about our other backs
manuel white, rock and nemo

plus betts

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by bertoskins2

how about our other backs
manuel white, rock and nemo

plus betts

manny and nemo will be lucky to make the team at all.

[itvnetop]

i think if the FO gets him re-signed, Duckett will be a valuable asset for years to come. we've been looking for that short yard/goal line back for a while now- all the potential backs for that role are still question marks... we know what we're getting with TJ.

at the very least, he's gonna spell Portis and start whenever CP's injured. He's had a very good preseason (judging from the stats and Atl. camp reports). if he's re-signed, the goal line is one less thing to worry about. Yes, we've given up another set of draft picks... but i'm used to it by now.

[BigSKINBauer]

One of the eagle fans said this
"one day most of you will realize that the skins OWN the salary cap and can sign whoever they want to make up for any draft pick they trade away"

2006 Point & Laugh at the Redskins thread

This year i have come to realize that the salary cap means nothing to us. We piss players off because we have HUGE deals that are back loaded. I remember smoot wanted a contract that was front loaded and i was pissed because it was similar in numbers with the deal the vikings gave him. I was like it is only a little more. Now it is easy to see why he didn't come to us. We didn't give him a front loaded contract, and he being a vet here noticed that he needed a front loaded contract with this crazy ass front office. We just break all our deals when they reach a little passed the half way point. We force them to resign or we trade them. This makes us very few friends with players who get upset. Some players, like samuels, will redo their contracts to stay with the team.

And as the eagle fan said, whatever we lose in the draft we make up in FA. I mean lloyd, arch, ARE, Duckett, christian, and Carter. What is that? That is insane. That is in a year that we were going to be in "CAP HELL".


Now again just think of the 3rd and 1 where we need to convert and we put duckett and sellers in. The D is going to be scared out their minds. How can you stop that line with that backfield. How? Now sellers is the master of being elusive. Last year he would get open after a short block. Everyone packs the line thinking sellers is going to block and we and maybe we will get a ton of yards. I think this is a great move. Duckett isn't a great player but he does what he does very well. He is going to be behind sellers and that is a garanteed 3 yards if you need it. The amount of times we convert this year due to TJ and sellers is making this a great trade.

I say that betts is a lesser version of portis. Betts isn't huge. He is big but nothing that is going to bruise the defenders and knock them down. We need a back-up if portis goes down and that is betts greatest role on the team. He can do it. I think rock can do it too because he is quick and if you mix him up a bit with duckett or sellers he can do the job. I see us having 4 RBs with portis and duckett being 2 of them and one of the other two being on the p-squad. If portis is hurt we can take the guy off the p-squad and make portis inactive for the week.

Now it is a big battle
lumsden
rock
betts
white
nemo

for what i see as two spots, one on the team and one on the practice squad. I see white as gone but the other 4 have huge upsides to me. I like them all. Nemo is a brusier and i think we have no need for him after duckett so i see him gone(we all like nemo). Nemo can catch though but we see duckett is fast too. That leaves lumsden rock and betts for two spots. We could keep betts and rock and drop lumsden. If we decide to make up our 3rd we could try a trade for betts. Maybe rock can pull in a 4th if we are lucky.

I have no problem with lumsden and betts with lumsden on p-squad.

I see lumsden making the team if a decent trade is available for betts or rock with lumsden being on p-squad.

For the team i think the best 4 would be lumsden, betts, duckett, and portis.

[BrudLee]

According to ESPN's John Clayton, the draft picks escalate from a 3 and a 4 based on a "complicated formula". I thin Rocky Mountain News may be simplifying things a bit on the road to a 1st rounder.

[MTK]

I think we've just given new meaning to our "Heavy Jumbo" package.

Sellers lead blocking for Duckett?! Lord have mercy on the defense!

People need to chill on the trade details. We're not giving up a first, we could end up exchanging first round picks... big difference.

[DrFaust]

Cool stats from Fantasy Football Information - Footballguys.com

From 2002-2005, T.J. Duckett is the 3rd most effective running back in the league at converting TDs at the goal line (minimum of 20 carries)...


Over that span, there have been 40 RBs with at least 20 carries at the goal line...T.J Duckett converted 22 TDs in 41 rushes, for a conversion rate of 53.7%. He trails only Priest Holmes and Shaun Alexander in goal line efficiency. By contrast, Clinton Portis has converted 38.7% of his goal line carries over that span (24 TDs in 53 rushes).

1. Priest Holmes rb 2002--2005 75 45 60.0%

2. Shaun Alexander rb 2002--2005 90 51 56.7%

3. T.J. Duckett rb 2002--2005 41 22 53.7%

4. Thomas Jones rb 2002--2005 30 16 53.3%

5. Stacey Mack rb 2002--2003 21 11 52.4%

6. LaDainian Tomlinson rb 2002--2005 84 42 50.0%

7. Jerome Bettis rb 2002--2005 62 31 50.0%

8. Ahman Green rb 2002--2005 32 16 50.0%

9. Stephen Davis rb 2002--2005 50 24 48.0%

10. Kevan Barlow rb 2002--2005 23 11 47.8%

11. Larry Johnson rb 2003--2005 32 15 46.9%

12. Emmitt Smith rb 2002--2004 22 10 45.5%

13. Marshall Faulk rb 2002--2005 38 17 44.7%

14. Tiki Barber rb 2002--2005 52 23 44.2%

15. Rudi Johnson rb 2003--2005 43 19 44.2%

Portis ranks #25.

[12thMan]

I like the trade. If Betts were the answer Duckett would have never entered the equation, plain and simple. Secondly, I haven't seen enough of Sellers to come to any real conclusion about his ability to 'run' the football in short yardage situations effectively and consistantly. Just haven't seen it.

More than anything I think Duckett gives us an immeditate, bona fide goal line threat that defenses have to respect. I envision him cut in the mold of Mike Alstott, so to speak. Perhaps he can win a game or two with his elbows! (I'm still seething over that one!) As far as us giving up too much and all this crap, the real details of the trade are sketchy at best and someone could still be traded to off set some of the picks.

[redsk1]

I like Duckett, but don't like this deal. Last time I checked Betts was doing a pretty good job and we didn't need alot of help on goal line situations if I remember right. To give up a 3rd rounder for a potential 3rd string rb? A couple years ago we picked up some guy named...Cooley in the 3rd, right?

[backrow]

I go away for two hours to do the work thingy, and 4 new pages and a poll are added to this TJD thread! Now, I'll never get any work done!