Do you really wanna see anymore todd collins?

[vaoutlaws2006]

Well lets be honest....what is todd collins? a career backup. If, and i hate to say this, brunnell goes down Jason Campbell has got to play period. Todd Colllins maybe fluent with this offense and saunders boy and all that but our best shot at winning without Brunnell has got to be with number 17 leading our offense. I still swear by that certain number 11 that used to be here. I would be a little less concerned if he was still here.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by vaoutlaws2006

Well lets be honest....what is todd collins? a career backup. If, and i hate to say this, brunnell goes down Jason Campbell has got to play period. Todd Colllins maybe fluent with this offense and saunders boy and all that but our best shot at winning without Brunnell has got to be with number 17 leading our offense. I still swear by that certain number 11 that used to be here. I would be a little less concerned if he was still here.

You mean the same #11 riding the pine in NY?

That's really something to hang your hat on.

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You mean the same #11 riding the pine in NY?

That's really something to hang your hat on.

your not going to even say that Todd Collins is better than patrick ramsey...are you out of you mind? we need a little straw poll here...Todd Collins in not an nfl caliber quarterback. PERIOD.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by vaoutlaws2006

your not going to even say that Todd Collins is better than patrick ramsey...are you out of you mind? we need a little straw poll here...Todd Collins in not an nfl caliber quarterback. PERIOD.

For this offense, yes I'd take Collins over Ramsey.

So are you trying to tell me that Ramsey is a NFL caliber QB?? Dude can't even beat out a limp-armed Pennington who's had serious shoulder surgery two years in a row.

I guess what it comes down to is the opinion of some very knowledgeable coaches. Ramsey was traded and Collins brought in, kinda lets you know what they think of them both.

But I guess you know an NFL caliber QB when you see one, and a Hall of Fame coach and a well respected offensive coordinator are the ones that don't understand.

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

For this offense, yes I'd take Collins over Ramsey.

So are you trying to tell me that Ramsey is a NFL caliber QB?? Dude can't even beat out a limp-armed Pennington who's had serious shoulder surgery two years in a row.

Look how he was treated here by first of all spurrier and then named started last year only to have it taken from him. Did you really think he was going to unseat Pennington as starter..? regardless of the shoulder the jets have too much money tied up in Pennington for him not to be the starter. I think Ramsey proved he can play in this league...I think you need to goto nfl.com and look at the career stats. Look at qb rating. The stats dont lie.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by vaoutlaws2006

Look how he was treated here by first of all spurrier and then named started last year only to have it taken from him. Did you really think he was going to unseat Pennington as starter..? regardless of the shoulder the jets have too much money tied up in Pennington for him not to be the starter. I think Ramsey proved he can play in this league...I think you need to goto nfl.com and look at the career stats. Look at qb rating. The stats dont lie.

Oh please don't start that crap! How many excuses does one have to come up with before they finally see the light on ol #11. Don't get me wrong, he's probably a nice guy, but if that's all it takes to be an NFL caliber QB, I'd be better than Joe Montana....