How Long For Brunell?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Let's hope Mark Brunell was paying close attention to how his older counterpart played last night. Brad Johnson made things happen when the pocket collapsed.

That's news to me.

We barely collapsed the pocket on him. He was getting rid of the ball before anyone could even get near him most times.

When things did break down he threw it away.

[RobH4413]

Brunell did fine... we need to run the ball better.

[scowan]

We lost last night because Brad Johnson completed just about everything on 3rd down. Our Defense could not get a stop when we needed it and Sean Taylor's untimely penalties really hurt. Brunell did not have a great night statistically, but what really hurt was 3 FGs and not 3TDs in the RedZone.

[firstdown]

If we got rid of all the player that everyone hates on after a loss we would only have Moss left on O and Taylor on D. Opps Taylor would be gone this week too. So the D would have all rookies.

[Daseal]

This argument is really stale.

It's year 3 with Brunell, get over it.

He helped get us to the playoffs last year and he's our best shot this year.

Actually, we were losing games till we started feeding the ball hardcore to Portis for the last 5 games of the season. Then when Portis got knicked up and we had to throw more we had two horrible offensive performances in the playoffs.

Just watching Brunell made me sick and he got some deserved boo's last night. 1st down, 2nd down -- fine, make the safe safe play. On 3rd down, use as much time as you can to TRY to get it. It's about time our offense bails our DEFENSE out for once.

[skinsfan0201]

Five Reasons the Redskins lost: (from the Washington Post) 1. They couldn't score in the red zone 2. They couldn't dominate the clock. 3. They couldn't convert third downs. 4. They had costly fourthquarter penalities. 5. Brad Johnson was steadier than Mark Brunell.

The coaches and some of the fans need to stop looking away from the source, sometimes you really need to be on the outside of the situation not to see it with rose tinted glasses. JMO

[PorterHouse]

We should have lost by more, how many times was C.Rogers burnt for a td and the receiver dropped the ball. Also why the hell woudnt Lloyd try to get the first down at the end of the game? All he had to do is put his head down and take one more step. It would have at least gave us another shot at the endzone. As for Brunell he did what hes still having trouble learning this offense. 0 inerceptions thats alright.

[Longtimefan]

I have been a supporter of Brunell since JG decided to bring him here, but as I said in one of my post after the first two preseason games, there are some things about his game that is becoming increasingly disturbing. Minnesota sat in a two deep zone most of last night and basically challenged Brunell to beat them with the deep ball knowing full well he's incapable. Granted, he does some things well, like not throwing INT and forcing the ball into coverage. However, there comes a time when the QB has to make plays, and that is espically true when the game is on the line. It would appear to me that when we need a play is when he's not at his best (except for the game in Dallas last year). Another poster mentioned earlier, Brunell has a tendency to stare down his primary and if he's covered he run's toward the sideline and throws the ball away. I can understand sometime your receivers are covered, but this seems to happen all to often with Brunell and I think it's because he has limited faith in his OL and dosen't want to get hit. If that's not the case then we're playing a flawed offense where the receivers can only get open a small persentage of the time. Another poster mentioned the players we brought in during the off-season to help on the outside and so far hasn't made a difference. Brandon Lloyd caught (what) one ball last night? It pains me when I think those guys have been here since the beginning of FA, plenty of time to work in the offense with such little production, and then I look at what McNabb and Stallworth did in their game sunday and they've only been together two weeks. I'm an eternal optomist and won't abandon ship but we must play better on both sides of the ball starting Sunday night. I'm not convinced we will fare any better against Dallas unless we play with a little more sense of urgency.
Pardon my rant fella's I just had to get this off.

[SmootSmack]

When a team loses the most popular player on the team is always the backup QB. But while there were some poor decisions by Brunell, it wasn't all on him. He's not the one who ran 4 yard routes on 3rd and 6, he's not the one who left the middle of the field wide open on defense, he's not the one with the late hit, or the missed field goal, or the poor special teams coverage. His knee isn't the one that got busted on the first play damaging our nickel defense.

It's just one game. Way, way, way too early to start making changes.

[skinsfan0201]

I beg to differ Brunell had all spring and summer he is a professional, he is the leader (supposedly) of the offense, and both his counterpart Brad Johnson and Trent Green certainly do not appear to have the same types of adjustment problems.

In addition we won in spite of Brunell lots of times last year, namely Arizona and would not have even made the playoffs if it was not for our other offensive players and our fantastic D. I am a little tired of yelling at our D yesterday, when clearly it was our offense who did not get it done. Please, those of you ripping on the D, consider the fact that they have and still are the heart and core of our team.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

When a team loses the most popular player on the team is always the backup QB. But while there were some poor decisions by Brunell, it wasn't all on him. He's not the one who ran 4 yard routes on 3rd and 6, he's not the one who left the middle of the field wide open on defense, he's not the one with the late hit, or the missed field goal, or the poor special teams coverage. His knee isn't the one that got busted on the first play damaging our nickel defense.

Agreed, but while Brunell wasn’t the only problem, many of his decisions were very questionable. There were a few specific plays last night where Portis came in on 2nd or 3rd and short. The Vikings obviously knew it was a run, so they put NINE in the box. One would think this is a perfect time to run a quick slant or play action, but what happens? Handoff to Portis, right into the middle of nine defenders.

I refuse to believe that Brunell doesn’t have the option to audible in that situation. I think he’s just so scared of making a mistake, that he’ll run the called play, even when he knows it will fail. And while many of you praise the fact that he’ll give up, rather than make a mistake, I can’t stomach the supposed offensive leader of the Redskins playing scared. Watching him throw the ball away on third down, when the closest defender was still four yards from him, was making me sick.

[offiss]

[QUOTE=TAFKAS;214264]When a team loses the most popular player on the team is always the backup QB. But while there were some poor decisions by Brunell, it wasn't all on him. He's not the one who ran 4 yard routes on 3rd and 6, he's not the one who left the middle of the field wide open on defense, he's not the one with the late hit, or the missed field goal, or the poor special teams coverage. His knee isn't the one that got busted on the first play damaging our nickel defense.

It's just one game. Way, way, way too early to start making changes

He's not the one who ran 4 yard routes on 3rd and 6,

No, but he is the guy who threw a 4 yard pass when we needed 6 because he was afraid he was going to be hit, and nobody was near him, that route is designed to hit a player to the left or to the right so he already has momentum lateraly to run up field and get the first, you cannot hit him stationary like Brunell did, as well Brunell has to know as a QB that there are 2 defenders right behind Portis waiting to pounce on him if he throws it to him, that was an unnessasary throw by a QB who's scared to death of any contact whatsoever, he may as well grounded that ball.

Brunell is not only scared of contact he's afraid of the potential for contact so he anticipates it even when it's not there, and that's why he has happy feet and jumps out of the pocket when no pressure is present.

Do I believe the backup is the most popular guy right now? Not really! I don't have any faith in Collins running the offense, and quite frankly if Campbell can't beat out Brunell at this stage of his developement don't know if he will ever have the ability to win a SB, but we can spend next year finding out the answer to that question, because as someone stated earlier Brunell will have to break a leg before Gibbs yanks him, and even then he'll probably be a game time decision! Not to worry though we will play teams with no pass rush and Brunell will excel when he's sure no one will get close to him.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

Brunell is not only scared of contact he's afraid of the potential for contact so he anticipates it even when it's not there, and that's why he has happy feet and jumps out of the pocket when no pressure is present.

#1: That is what QB is supposed to do, anticipate pressure -- it's called awareness.

Secondly, Ramsey was the king of happy dancing feet, so don't even go there.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

#1: That is what QB is supposed to do, anticipate pressure -- it's called awareness.

Secondly, Ramsey was the king of happy dancing feet, so don't even go there.

I will go there any time I feel like it!

Obviously your hung up on who knows what and can't seperate the two. But I will do it for you, Ramsey regardless of happy feet would hang in the pocket and take the hit to complete the pass, unlike Brunell, who if you could comprehend anything would understand that anticipating a sack when no one is there is not what a QB is supposed to do, unfortuantly that's what Brunell does, that is why he throws it to the first reciever he see's whether or not he's far enough downfield for a first, or he throws it away. That fear also doesn't allow him to continue to check down on his progressions to possibly throw to a third or 4th reciever because he's to worried about being hit, you cannot play QB in the NFL if your worried about being hit, that fear wont allow you to be successeful. That is why the Jags were going to release him and we haven't seen anything different, he was throwing off his back leg all night against the Viks.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

I will go there any time I feel like it!

Obviously your hung up on who knows what and can't seperate the two. But I will do it for you, Ramsey regardless of happy feet would hang in the pocket and take the hit to complete the pass.

It's good to know you're finally admitting that you agree with me. But, why take the hit if you can make the play without doing so? Just to say you took the hit? That's ignorant. You'd rather the QB force the ball into double coverage than to do the smart thing and throw the ball away? Why? That's playing dumb. Sure, out of 50 INTs, you might complete the pass, but how does that improve anything? It doesn't. By the way, how well did Ramsey do this past week?