Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)

[twinskinsfan]

Benching Brunell might make alot of people happy right now. But has anyone thought that maybe it is our team collectively that blows? Our offesive line sucks. Yes, Brunell at this very momemt, the obvious, SUCKS, and the coahes suck. I think everybody on the offensive side is lost as hell, nobldy has a clue where they are supposed to be at anytime. The defense, I think the rest of the league has figured us out. They know where we are coming from, and WAHT THE HELL, IF YOU WANT TO SCORE A TOUCHDOWN ON THE REDSKINS, THEN....THROW IT DEEP!!! easy as that.

[RobH4413]

I wish I could say something wise and unconventional... and I really want to say "start Mark Brunell". I mean I wish I could say "Look at last year... he looked sooo bad... and then BOOM! He came out of no-where and showed up".. ..

I want to say Mark Brunell still has a few great years left. He had a career year last year. He threw for over 3000 yards. He was a Force.

But I forgot last year. I live in the present. I speak on raw emotion, and I have blind faith in a rookie quarterback that has never thrown a pass in the NFL. My Judgement far exceeds a 3 time superbowl winner. I'm educated... I watch sportscenter. I should be the coach. Joe Gibbs is a great guy and all but isn't he fed up with Mark? I am so bitter about losing to Dallas that something MUST change. I can't stand losing, so I'm going to change the guy that took us to the playoffs last year and threw for 25 touchdowns and 10 interceptions and put my eggs in a different basket. Ef you Mark Brunell, YOU SUCK.

[SmootSmack]

I hear what you're saying, twinskins. Though I don't know that it warranted a new thread. You're echoing the sentiments of several people who have said all the blame can't be Brunell's in several posts in several threads. The blame has to go all around, including but not only Brunell.

[GMScud]

I have mixed feelings on benching Brunell. He has looked awful, to say the least. But he can still put some zip on the ball, and is pretty good at not turning it over. I think we need to leave him in there until he gets some decent pass protection and #26 comes back to bolster the running game. I can say with conviction that we cannot put the ball in Brunell's hands and say, "hey Mark, go win the game." That just won't happen. If we can RUN the damn ball to set up the passing game, then I believe he can still be effecient. But with no Portis, no pass blocking, and only 16 friggin running plays a game, we're aren't going anywhere. Where is our vaunted O-line? Can't Buges get these "dirtbags" to knuckle up a bit? We made the Cowboys D-line look way better than they are.

And on that note, WHY THE HELL AREN'T WE RUNNING IT MORE???? Down the stretch last year when we ripped off the last 5 regular season games, we ran it 35-40 times per contest. That's what won Coach Gibbs three Super Bowls in his first stint, and that has been the biggest determinant of his success this time around. RUN RUN RUN, and the field will open up for the pass!!!!! Although you have to convert 3rd downs first I guess....

[SmootSmack]

I think there are several reasons we aren't running more. But the two main ones are that a.) the gap between Portis and Betts talentwise is a lot bigger than many perhaps originally thought, and b.) stupid penalties on 1st and 2nd down are forcing 3rd and longs. I think it's time for Duckett to move up a spot in the depth chart. I mean is Betts still hurt, because he doesn't look so great. No one does, but he especially just looks really slow

[GMScud]

Tafkas, I agree that Betts doesn't look as good as I've seen him in the past, but Duckett didn't look like he was exactly ramming it in there either. He (Ducektt) did have that one nice 15 yard run to the outside, but we've gotta get Portis back. As far as Duckett being #2 on the depth chart, I think he probably would be if he had been with the team for more than a few days of training camp.

But don't you agree that running the ball on first and second down sets the tempo and controls both the clock and the pace of the game?? We're trying to do too many things on offense. Apparently the cowboys were playing a cover 2 that involved a few d-backs staying way back in coverage to prevent any successful deep routes. Running consistently would bring more men in the box and open up the pass. Anyone knows that. I want to believe that Gibbs brought Saunders in large part becuase of his success pounding that rock (see Priest and Larry Johnson). I scream and yell at the TV to RUN THE DAMN BALL.

So do we give Brunell a game against a traditionally bad team to turn it around? With Portis likely back this week and the track record of the Texans, don't you think Brunell deserves to give it one more go??

[SmootSmack]

Yeah I was just saying that I think they put themselves in situations where they couldn't run especially on second downs. There's no question we need Portis back.

[GMScud]

I am really tired of having to deal with bitching about the quarterback position. We have a constant carousel year in and out, controversies year in year out, and discussions like one pretty much on a consistent basis. Never shoulda let Brad Johnson go....

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I am really tired of having to deal with bitching about the quarterback position. We have a constant carousel year in and out, controversies year in year out, and discussions like one pretty much on a consistent basis. Never shoulda let Brad Johnson go....

I'm tired of it too, and I think most people are. That's the main reason I think people are calling for the change. We have Blind Faith in Joe Gibbs' asessment of Jason Campbell, and the fact that we threw 2 first round picks at his feet and see him as our answer and the QB of our future. We're hoping that he can end all of the BS QB contraversey we've been seeing around here for so long now.

Rothlesburger got put into his situation in his first year and the second he took his team all the way.

I'm hoping J/C is on par with him as far as game management and utilizing the weapons he has around him, especially seeing what we gave up to get him.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

We have Blind Faith in Joe Gibbs' asessment of Jason Campbell, and the fact that we threw 2 first round picks at his feet and see him as our answer and the QB of our future.

Joe Gibbs has a pretty good track record at assessments of QBs. Although he doesn't find the Joe Montanas or the Brett Farves of the NFL, he finds the players who are willing to work within the system in order to win and it's worked for him -- 3 different Super Bowl quarterbacks. I think the only difference right now is that those quarterbacks were not afraid to throw it deep -- which is what truthly made Joe Gibbs' offense ultimately successful. We talk about his running game, but teams back in the day also had to worry about the posse' and a QB who wasn't afraid to throw it deep to Clark, Sanders, and Monk.

I've seen Mark throw and I believe he can throw it deep --- but for some reason, he doesn't have the confidence to do so. In garbage time, when it didn't matter either way, he was making those throws to Moss. I realize that the defense was playing prevent...but I still believe Mark can make those passes if he'd try. Probably what is frustrating for the WRs is that Mark probably does make those passes in practice, but wants to play too conservative in the game.

[bigm29]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I'm tired of it too, and I think most people are. That's the main reason I think people are calling for the change. We have Blind Faith in Joe Gibbs' asessment of Jason Campbell, and the fact that we threw 2 first round picks at his feet and see him as our answer and the QB of our future. We're hoping that he can end all of the BS QB contraversey we've been seeing around here for so long now.

Rothlesburger got put into his situation in his first year and the second he took his team all the way.

I'm hoping J/C is on par with him as far as game management and utilizing the weapons he has around him, especially seeing what we gave up to get him.

we gave up 1 1st round pick and like 3rd and 4th

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by twinskinsfan

Benching Brunell might make alot of people happy right now. But has anyone thought that maybe it is our team collectively that blows? Our offesive line sucks. Yes, Brunell at this very momemt, the obvious, SUCKS, and the coahes suck. I think everybody on the offensive side is lost as hell, nobldy has a clue where they are supposed to be at anytime. The defense, I think the rest of the league has figured us out. They know where we are coming from, and WAHT THE HELL, IF YOU WANT TO SCORE A TOUCHDOWN ON THE REDSKINS, THEN....THROW IT DEEP!!! easy as that.

I think brunell was skipping balls 5 yards short on 10-15 yard routes. the easy way to see who's to blame is to see if another QB can do any better.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I think brunell was skipping balls 5 yards short on 10-15 yard routes. the easy way to see who's to blame is to see if another QB can do any better.

He's prone to inaccuracy. So is McNabb, but people love him. It's a relatively harmless flaw in his game that when pressured in the pocket he throws low.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He's prone to inaccuracy. So is McNabb, but people love him. It's a relatively harmless flaw in his game that when pressured in the pocket he throws low.

The difference with McNabb and Brunell, actually there's no comparison,
is that McNabb can compensate for his deficiencies. Whereas, when Brunell is off, his mistakes are magnified.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

The difference with McNabb and Brunell, actually there's no comparison,
is that McNabb can compensate for his deficiencies. Whereas, when Brunell is off, his mistakes are magnified.

McNabb definately has playmaking potential that Brunell no longer has this late in his career. All I'm saying is that if periodic accuracy issues were really that damning, McNabb would have busted out years ago.

They aren't, and consequently I'm happy with a QB that completes 60% and throws a pick every two games. Both McNabb and Brunell are firery competitors, even though Donovan's carelessness (among other things) probably cost Phili a win Sunday.

Brunell is almost not to blame at all for either of our losses...although I'd really like to see an improvement from him on third down.