Problems, And Excuses!

[Daseal]

Matty, don't you think complacently going along is also a form of jackassery? Something is wrong, that obviously the mighty Gibbs couldn't fix before the season, so there must be some problems. He's a coach, he makes a lot of mistakes. If he didn't football wouldn't be fun.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Matty, don't you think complacently going along is also a form of jackassery? Something is wrong, that obviously the mighty Gibbs couldn't fix before the season, so there must be some problems. He's a coach, he makes a lot of mistakes. If he didn't football wouldn't be fun.

Jackassery is thinking that with the help of a TiVo, we as fans are more in the know than the coaches and players.

Nobody is denying something is wrong and things need to be fixed. I don't think there is a Redskins fan alive that would deny that. I don't think any of us are complacent right now. We want changes, but do I know more than Gibbs and company because I can watch a game in slow motion with my TiVo?

In the end some of us just trust that the coaches know what's going on and will get things turned around.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Jackassery is thinking that with the help of a TiVo, we as fans are more in the know than the coaches and players.

Nobody is denying something is wrong and things need to be fixed. I don't think there is a Redskins fan alive that would deny that. I don't think any of us are complacent right now. We want changes, but do I know more than Gibbs and company because I can watch a game in slow motion with my TiVo?

In the end some of us just trust that the coaches know what's going on and will get things turned around.

Excuse me, but I don't think any of us TiVo users ever claimed to know more than the coaches, we (offiss and I) merely rewatch the games to see who appears to have screwed up so we can discuss the players here on this forum. If jackassery is what we are doing, then "headupurassness" are those that constantly criticize anyone who questions the players or coaches. We don't claim to have the knowledge and know how of the coaches, but that doesn't mean we cant criticize. Under your logic no one on this site could ever criticize this team unless they were in the Football Hall of Fame.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Excuse me, but I don't think any of us TiVo users ever claimed to know more than the coaches, we (offiss and I) merely rewatch the games to see who appears to have screwed up so we can discuss the players here on this forum. If jackassery is what we are doing, then "headupurassness" are those that constantly criticize anyone who questions the players or coaches. We don't claim to have the knowledge and know how of the coaches, but that doesn't mean we cant criticize. Under your logic no one on this site could ever criticize this team unless they were in the Football Hall of Fame.

I feel like this is a never ending argument between the glass is half empty people and the glass is half full people.

I'm not saying don't criticize. I have never said that, and I myself have openly questioned plenty of things. I started the thread asking if Saunders was a mistake.

Whether it's intentional or not, some people just come off with this attitude like, I watched the game again on TiVo so I know what's really going on.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Excuse me, but I don't think any of us TiVo users ever claimed to know more than the coaches, we (offiss and I) merely rewatch the games to see who appears to have screwed up so we can discuss the players here on this forum. If jackassery is what we are doing, then "headupurassness" are those that constantly criticize anyone who questions the players or coaches. We don't claim to have the knowledge and know how of the coaches, but that doesn't mean we cant criticize. Under your logic no one on this site could ever criticize this team unless they were in the Football Hall of Fame.

Paulskinsfan, Don't waste your breath explaining a point that is that obvious, rest assured it doesn't sink in!

We have what I am going to coin for some of the posters around here as the stepford hogs, and they regergitate anything Gibbs say's and does, they have no opinion of thier own, and are pre-programed to repeat Gibbs is great, but when failure happens they go into attack mode with the old classic, HOW MANY SB RING'S DO YOU HAVE mantra, as if no one on the planet knows anything about football except Gibbs.


So I am now going to leave you PSF, sorry, I tried my best but I can't hold out any longer, Gibbs is great, Gibbs is great, Gibbs is Great, Gibbs is great, Gibbs is great, and whithout him there are no other coaches, see you on the other side PSF!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

Paulskinsfan, Don't waste your breath explaining a point that is that obvious, rest assured it doesn't sink in!

We have what I am going to coin for some of the posters around here as the stepford hogs, and they regergitate anything Gibbs say's and does, they have no opinion of thier own, and are pre-programed to repeat Gibbs is great, but when failure happens they go into attack mode with the old classic, HOW MANY SB RING'S DO YOU HAVE mantra, as if no one on the planet knows anything about football except Gibbs.


So I am now going to leave you PSF, sorry, I tried my best but I can't hold out any longer, Gibbs is great, Gibbs is great, Gibbs is Great, Gibbs is great, Gibbs is great, and whithout him there are no other coaches, see you on the other side PSF!

I see plenty of questioning going on all over the place by everyone.

I don't see anyone blindly saying that Gibbs is great and everything is fine.

I think you're generalizing just a tad.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't see anyone blindly saying that Gibbs is great and everything is fine.

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I'm not being blind. It is only the third game of the season coming up. It is BLIND to ASSUME we are not making it to the playoffs. Have some faith in Gibbs or GET OUT!! HAIL!

I know this is an extreme case, but there are at least a few other that think this way.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I know this is an extreme case, but there are at least a few other that think this way.

There are extremes in both directions. I think in general the majority fall in the middle though.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Jackassery is thinking that with the help of a TiVo, we as fans are more in the know than the coaches and players.

Nobody is denying something is wrong and things need to be fixed. I don't think there is a Redskins fan alive that would deny that. I don't think any of us are complacent right now. We want changes, but do I know more than Gibbs and company because I can watch a game in slow motion with my TiVo?

In the end some of us just trust that the coaches know what's going on and will get things turned around.

I am one of those who truly believe's this coaching staff will get things turned in a positive direction. I recall so well JG first year here we went 0-5, I didn't loose faith then, and I won't now. I believe we will win every game we play. Will I predict it, NO Will I bet it NO but regardless of the score
or time in the game I always believe we're going to win. I will watch every minute of every quarter of every game, we never loose we just run out of time. If I didn't have that kind of faith it wouldn't make sense for me to watch the games at all.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I am one of those who truly believe's this coaching staff will get things turned in a positive direction. I recall so well JG first year here we went 0-5, I didn't loose faith then, and I won't now. I believe we will win every game we play. Will I predict it, NO Will I bet it NO but regardless of the score
or time in the game I always believe we're going to win. I will watch every minute of every quarter of every game, we never loose we just run out of time. If I didn't have that kind of faith it wouldn't make sense for me to watch the games at all.

What was it that made you not lose faith in him back then? I mean I can understand now, because of his track record. But I'm just curious what made you believe back when he lost the first 5 games of his NFL coaching career?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What was it that made you not lose faith in him back then? I mean I can understand now, because of his track record. But I'm just curious what made you believe back when he lost the first 5 games of his NFL coaching career?

When we lost our first five games of the 81 season it was obvious the team was not that far away. We were loosing games but you could tell it was going to be just a matter of time before they started winning. Couple that with the coaching tree of which JG derived, I was convinced the team was going to be successful. We looked better loosing then than we do now.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

When we lost our first five games of the 81 season it was obvious the team was not that far away. We were loosing games but you could tell it was going to be just a matter of time before they started winning. Couple that with the coaching tree of which JG derived, I was convinced the team was going to be successful. We looked better loosing then than we do now.

Absolutly! I remember it well, we were loaded with talent it was a huge surprise that we had lost those games, you could see even early on that Gibbs was a real inovator, the big thing with those teams of the 80's and early 90's is this, when we took the field Gibbs had the luxuory all those years to usually have the best offensive line on the field, he was able to do what he wanted offensivly because the line made it happen, that's not taking place anymore and there lies the struggle. As bad as I believe Brunell is, I still believe with the right offensive line Gibbs could win a championship with him, a good QB would make it a lot easier though.

We all know how good Bobby beathard was, but I don't think any of us really realized how important he was to Gibbs success. As we watch draft after draft and we come away with a no brainer 1st rd pick and that's it, we then look back at the kind of talent BB brought in, and how he used the draft to build a dynasty, somewhere BB is laughing saying, I told you so Joe.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by offiss

Absolutly! I remember it well, we were loaded with talent it was a huge surprise that we had lost those games, you could see even early on that Gibbs was a real inovator, the big thing with those teams of the 80's and early 90's is this, when we took the field Gibbs had the luxuory all those years to usually have the best offensive line on the field, he was able to do what he wanted offensivly because the line made it happen, that's not taking place anymore and there lies the struggle. As bad as I believe Brunell is, I still believe with the right offensive line Gibbs could win a championship with him, a good QB would make it a lot easier though.

We all know how good Bobby beathard was, but I don't think any of us really realized how important he was to Gibbs success. As we watch draft after draft and we come away with a no brainer 1st rd pick and that's it, we then look back at the kind of talent BB brought in, and how he used the draft to build a dynasty, somewhere BB is laughing saying, I told you so Joe.

Plus, we had a great clutch kicker, A darn good QB, and a HOF running back. Unfortunately we don't have anything close to a HOF player on this team.