Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)

[redduke44]

I agree what do we have to lose with the schedule we have coming up.Keep the faith!

[RobH4413]

Brunells 9-20 press conference is pretty funny...

He's a classy guy and some reporters are total a-holes.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Brunells 9-20 press conference is pretty funny...

He's a classy guy and some reporters are total a-holes.

Is that the one where they asked him how's it feel to be 36 and washed up?

Even though it was in jest you can understand MB being a bit grumpy. All the attention he's getting is ridiculous. Is he playing poorly? Yes. Is the entire offense playing poorly right now as well? Yes. So why is there no screams for the 10 other guys to be benched right now?

[Longtimefan]

Joe Gibbs will defend Mark Brunell until his last breath, but I value his worth on who else around the league would want him. If Brunell was released by the Skins today or tomorrow, who would pick him up, even in a back-up role? As bad as the raiders need a QB I doubt they would take Brunell.

[SKINS73]

I say give Randel El a shot at QB!

[backrow]

Benching MB is way overdue! He definitely should not be the starter! He sucks so bad, he could substitute for a vacuum cleaner! His completion percentage is so low, there is a mud puddle forming over it! His TD ratio is abysmal! His supporters do not know anything about JC and are married to the guy who saved HOF Joe Gibbs life! Wait, that was last week..................

[RobH4413]

I was praying that he broke the record when it was getting close. All I could think about this thread, and the Ironic punch the the face Brunell gave all the haters.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I was praying that he broke the record when it was getting close. All I could think about this thread, and the Ironic punch the the face Brunell gave all the haters.

You thought that was a "punch in the face" to the haters? His performance was well suited to the game plan, but that game plan isn't going to fly against any other team on our schedule. He still has a long way to go to prove that he can lead this team.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

You thought that was a "punch in the face" to the haters? His performance was well suited to the game plan, but that game plan isn't going to fly against any other team on our schedule. He still has a long way to go to prove that he can lead this team.

The short passes to Moss and Cooley worked GREAT last year for us. Having 4 WRs rather than 1 will help open up the field for us, even if we DO forget the low % bombs for more short passes.

If we're moving the ball, I don't care what "strategy" we use.

Besides, we have guys who can turn screen and shovel passes into the BIG plays you're craving.

Brunell "threw" a 74-yard shovel pass to Portis. I'll take that.

Randel El and Moss will break plenty of big plays this year too.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Buster

The short passes to Moss and Cooley worked GREAT last year for us. Having 4 WRs rather than 1 will help open up the field for us, even if we DO forget the low % bombs for more short passes.

Did you watch the last few games of last season? We surprised a lot of teams, but they quickly caught on. Our defense kept us in a lot of games, and, thus far, that isn't happening.

Originally Posted by Buster

If we're moving the ball, I don't care what "strategy" we use.

This strategy won't work against anyone else we play this year (maybe the Titans).

Originally Posted by Buster

Besides, we have guys who can turn screen and shovel passes into the BIG plays you're craving.

lol - I "crave" wins, not big plays.

Wins come from a pounding running game, which open up the passing game. If all of the passes are 5 yard screens, teams are going to catch on.

Originally Posted by Buster

Brunell "threw" a 74-yard shovel pass to Portis. I'll take that.

No, Brunell "threw" a 2-yard shovel pass to Portis. Portis ran through the swiss cheese defense of the Texans for another 72 yards.

Originally Posted by Buster

Randel El and Moss will break plenty of big plays this year too.

Why do you want to put all of the pressure on our WRs and RBs to "make big plays"? Doesn't anyone think part of the responsibility is on Brunell to be able to complete the big pass?

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

You thought that was a "punch in the face" to the haters? His performance was well suited to the game plan, but that game plan isn't going to fly against any other team on our schedule. He still has a long way to go to prove that he can lead this team.

Isn't that what makes a team win?

If I'm correct you're saying that Brunell isn't suited for a gameplan that involves downfield passing. Heres the thing.

1) You can't use the first two games to gauge Mark Brunells downfield pass ability.

2) You can use last year, to see that Mark Brunell can throw the ball downfield. The second he didn't have any receivers, or the receivers that he had were in double coverage, he flopped.

3) Brunell has proven that when he the rest of the team is solid, so is he. He has collapsed when given an inconsistent team, and that makes sense. His job is to get the ball to the playmakers... and when they dont make plays... the blame comes crashing down.

Brunell is the best choice we have.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Isn't that what makes a team win?

uh...no. Please read my entire post. I have reposted the most important point (which you didn't address) below.

Originally Posted by RobH4413

If I'm correct you're saying that Brunell isn't suited for a gameplan that involves downfield passing. Heres the thing.

1) You can't use the first two games to gauge Mark Brunells downfield pass ability.

um...ok, why not?

Originally Posted by RobH4413

2) You can use last year, to see that Mark Brunell can throw the ball downfield. The second he didn't have any receivers, or the receivers that he had were in double coverage, he flopped.

If he were 29 and healthy, then I would agree. He's not. He struggled at the end of last season, and for all of this season, with anything over 10-15 yards. (I'm not even bringing up the preseason since whether or not it "counts" in evaluating players' abilites is a debate unto itself)

Originally Posted by RobH4413

3) Brunell has proven that when he the rest of the team is solid, so is he. He has collapsed when given an inconsistent team, and that makes sense. His job is to get the ball to the playmakers... and when they dont make plays... the blame comes crashing down.

Why should the entire pressure be on Moss and Randle El and Lloyd to turn a screen pass into a 30 yard gain? It's on Brunell to make the play sometimes. Yesterday, Brunell did not make any big plays with his arm. He had one pass to Patton over the middle, and he strung Patton out (who made a fantastic catch). I think that goes straight to your point - Patton made the play, not Brunell. Why shouldn't Brunell be on the hook?

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Brunell is the best choice we have.

We'll see - if he can't get the ball to receivers because they are more than five yards away, then perhaps there are better options. I think he proved himself enough in this game to have support for the next game, but it's really hard to credibly argue that he showed off his accuracy and decision making yesterday. It was an incredibly safe gameplan that relied on the receivers, RBs, and O-line to make plays. He did exactly what was asked of him, and that's fantastic (hey, it's a win after all!).

However, and this is the part that everyone who quotes my posts on this subject seems to conveniently ignore, this gameplan will not beat anyone else on our schedule, with the possible exception of the Titans. So, yes, Brunell executed this gameplan very well. Great, but who cares? This gameplan probably isn't going to work against anyone else.

[pg86]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I was praying that he broke the record when it was getting close. All I could think about this thread, and the Ironic punch the the face Brunell gave all the haters.

Punch in the face is an understatement...I call that performance A BITCH SLAP!

[jsarno]

I have been a Brunell supporter in the past, but he is flat out not looking downfield! You can't tell me that Moss and Randel El as well as Lloyd are not getting open!
That being said, Brunell has had ample opportunity to learn this system, if he doesn't get it together vs Houston, we should sit Brunell and let Campbell learn for the rest of the season!

Take that a step farther...to avoid another Patrick Ramsey fiasco, if Campbell does not look decent by season's end, we need to get a GOOD free agent QB in the offseason.