Joe Gibbs becoming like Mary Schottemhiemer

[illdefined]

I'll comment. not toughing out that 4th and 1 in a tough divisional away game when you're behind sent a direct message to the offense that they weren't believed in. and they played accordingly after that.

huge missed opportunity. and i think Gibbs's first real apparent mistake this season. regardless if the FG was made or not.

[LBrown43]

Originally Posted by illdefined

I'll comment. not toughing out that 4th and 1 in a tough divisional away game when you're behind sent a direct message to the offense that they weren't believed in. and they played accordingly after that.

huge missed opportunity. and i think Gibbs's first real apparent mistake this season. regardless if the FG was made or not.

I was there and they looked like they did not believe in themselves all day. It was not something that was revealed after the field goal attempt.
Two straight years of going to Giant's Stadium with my son and the second straight year of extreem disappointment. They were not the team that played the Jaguars and they did not play as if this were a divisional rival. There was no spark.
I don't second guess Gibbs. Not because he is Joe Gibbs but because he knows a whole lot more about NFL football than any of us.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by LBrown43

I was there and they looked like they did not believe in themselves all day. It was not something that was revealed after the field goal attempt.
Two straight years of going to Giant's Stadium with my son and the second straight year of extreem disappointment. They were not the team that played the Jaguars and they did not play as if this were a divisional rival. There was no spark.
I don't second guess Gibbs. Not because he is Joe Gibbs but because he knows a whole lot more about NFL football than any of us.

a field goal never caused a turnoaround spark, much less a missed one. in fact, aside from a turnover, there's nothing more deflating especially after the longest sustained drive all game.

i know they didn't believe in themselves, making it on 4th and 1 was just the situation to get some confidence and get back into the game. alas, Gibbs/Saunders played like they were already beaten and the team accepted it.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by illdefined

a field goal never caused a turnoaround spark, much less a missed one. in fact, aside from a turnover, there's nothing more deflating especially after the longest sustained drive all game.

i know they didn't believe in themselves, making it on 4th and 1 was just the situation to get some confidence and get back into the game. alas, Gibbs/Saunders played like they were already beaten and the team accepted it.

How about NOT making it on 4th down?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by mheisig

How about NOT making it on 4th down?

they had just marched down the field, they were just starting to feel good for the first time the entire game. these are competitive guys and they were just beginning to roll. if they tried and failed, at least they'd know Gibbs had some faith in them and felt they could make it. going for the FG took it completely out of their hands.

(btw losing it on 4th is technically a turnover)

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by mheisig

How about NOT making it on 4th down?

Okay, and then what? They win 26-3 instead of 19-3?

[Twilbert07]

Just saw this stat from today's Post about Gibbs. Maybe Joe is becoming like Schottenheimer, from the standpoint of a .500 coach.

The Redskins will play the 40th game of the second Gibbs era on Sunday -- including the playoffs -- and stand at 19-20. Six of those wins came during the team's winning streak in December and January of last season, the only momentum the team has shown since this staff took over in 2004.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Just saw this stat from today's Post about Gibbs. Maybe Joe is becoming like Schottenheimer, from the standpoint of a .500 coach.

The Redskins will play the 40th game of the second Gibbs era on Sunday -- including the playoffs -- and stand at 19-20. Six of those wins came during the team's winning streak in December and January of last season, the only momentum the team has shown since this staff took over in 2004.

The game must be passing Parcells by too, he's 17-19 over that same time period.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The game must be passing Parcells by too, he's 17-19 over that same time period.

That wasn't the charge. It was simply a statement of fact -- that Gibbs is hovering at .500 forty games into his second stint as head coach. Almost two and a half years after his return, it looks like the Redskins are still an average team, getting average results, but with high-priced, above average talent at key positions. Which is exactly what the state of the organization was leading up to Gibbs' return. So let me ask you, didn't you expect a slightly different story at this point?

And maybe the game is passing Parcells by.

[70Chip]

Gibbs had a tough first season and a moderately sucessful second season which makes him around .500. There's nothing earth-shattering there. What happens the rest of this year, though, will have a huge impact on how the second Gibbs term is perceived. They need to at least equal last year's playoff berth to come close to matching expectations.

I'm sensing a lot of anti-Gibbs sentimant in here today. Blasphemy!