Are 21 and 31 over-rated?

[BrunellMVP?]

resounding yes to both, though I love sean taylors ability to cause fumbles, he gets burned far to often in coverage for someone of his quality. I'm hoping things improve with springs back...its no big deal about rogers broken thumb...maybe the extra padding will make him better...not like he could catch the ball anyway.

[SmootSmack]

Vick has been overrated until this year. Even at the start of this year he wasn't a great QB. He had the worst completion rate on deep passes until just a couple of weeks ago. He's gotten better as a QB this year (thanks to Bill Musgrave!) but it doesn't take away from the fact that he's been overrated.

[BMF21]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Vick has been overrated until this year. Even at the start of this year he wasn't a great QB. He had the worst completion rate on deep passes until just a couple of weeks ago. He's gotten better as a QB this year (thanks to Bill Musgrave!) but it doesn't take away from the fact that he's been overrated.

you mean he wasn't a white QB, I dont have to play the race, because most of yall racism show on this site,.....to be honest what you white boys want to say is Vick dont play like the White QB in the league, but he don't have to, because this is the last position in the league, that your desperatly holding on too.......so hold long as you can.....it happen in basketball, it happen in every other postion on the field of football, it happen in golf, no black athlete should have to keep proven his worth, because if you run a 3-4 defense, you can beat the hell out of your hero Manning....because, he get's daised and confused..... its just like saying Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time......of alltime when all whiteboys was allowed to play the game....yea, but when they played the negro league...they got there ass.....whooped......, anyone understand that word......ASS and Whooped.....so funny to me...... be honest, Vick is changing the game of football, like, Texas Western did when they beat Kentucky......when 5 black atheletes beat the all white squad....so dont give me the bullshit anymore about, race, because....that what this world is full of..........racist bastards, who try to pretend that there not.......when they are........talent is talent, i can say, the truths about sports, 5 white boys will never start in a NBA game again in life and there will never be a white running back in the league that is a probowler and there is no such thing as a white cornerback in the NFL all of this is true, not racist, the racist thing is when you try to compare Vick to Manning or Brady......those are great QB's, but Vick can become a better passer, can they become better atheletes..........Hell No!!!!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BMF21

you mean he wasn't a white QB, I dont have to play the race, because most of yall racism show on this site,.....to be honest what you white boys want to say is Vick dont play like the White QB in the league, but he don't have to, because this is the last position in the league, that your desperatly holding on too.......so hold long as you can.....it happen in basketball, it happen in every other postion on the field of football, it happen in golf, no black athlete should have to keep proven his worth, because if you run a 3-4 defense, you can beat the hell out of your hero Manning....because, he get's daised and confused..... its just like saying Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time......of alltime when all whiteboys was allowed to play the game....yea, but when they played the negro league...they got there ass.....whooped......, anyone understand that word......ASS and Whooped.....so funny to me...... be honest, Vick is changing the game of football, like, Texas Western did when they beat Kentucky......when 5 black atheletes beat the all white squad....so dont give me the bullshit anymore about, race, because....that what this world is full of..........racist bastards, who try to pretend that there not.......when they are........talent is talent, i can say, the truths about sports, 5 white boys will never start in a NBA game again in life and there will never be a white running back in the league that is a probowler and there is no such thing as a white cornerback in the NFL all of this is true, not racist, the racist thing is when you try to compare Vick to Manning or Brady......those are great QB's, but Vick can become a better passer, can they become better atheletes..........Hell No!!!!!

What the hell are you talking about? Why do you have to drag race into it every time. This is why people think you're one of the worst members on this board. Because you're an idiot. Not a black idiot. Just an idiot. Yeah I know, I shouldn't make a personal attack and I apologize for it. But you keep calling everyone racist, and for no reason at all. Vick is compared to Manning and Brady because they're all QBs in the NFL.

You know I don't want to uneccesarily drag Saden into this, but why can't you be more like him. He doesn't belittle real racial issues by pulling that card into every argument.

I think I speak for a lot of people here when I say it's extremely offensive for you to collectively accuse us of racism anytime we disagree with you. Oh and FYI, I'm not white.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

BMF21,

For a guy who sees racism everywhere, it's amazing that you can't see the racism in your own statements. By the way, just like TAFKAS, I'm not a white boy either. So, before you start accusing everyone of being a racist white boy, do a little homework.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by BMF21

you mean he wasn't a white QB, I dont have to play the race, because most of yall racism show on this site,.....to be honest what you white boys want to say is Vick dont play like the White QB in the league, but he don't have to, because this is the last position in the league, that your desperatly holding on too.......so hold long as you can.....it happen in basketball, it happen in every other postion on the field of football, it happen in golf, no black athlete should have to keep proven his worth, because if you run a 3-4 defense, you can beat the hell out of your hero Manning....because, he get's daised and confused..... its just like saying Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time......of alltime when all whiteboys was allowed to play the game....yea, but when they played the negro league...they got there ass.....whooped......, anyone understand that word......ASS and Whooped.....so funny to me...... be honest, Vick is changing the game of football, like, Texas Western did when they beat Kentucky......when 5 black atheletes beat the all white squad....so dont give me the bullshit anymore about, race, because....that what this world is full of..........racist bastards, who try to pretend that there not.......when they are........talent is talent, i can say, the truths about sports, 5 white boys will never start in a NBA game again in life and there will never be a white running back in the league that is a probowler and there is no such thing as a white cornerback in the NFL all of this is true, not racist, the racist thing is when you try to compare Vick to Manning or Brady......those are great QB's, but Vick can become a better passer, can they become better atheletes..........Hell No!!!!!

Oh come on man, Vick can't hold McNabb's jock strap let alone be on the same level as Manning. No doubt Vick is talented, mostly with his feet, but he can't throw for shit 50% of the time. That my friend is reality. There are at least 8 QBs I would take before Vick simply because they can throw, and throw accurately. Also keep in mind the longevity of a running back in the NFL...it's not pretty. A running QB's shelf life is much shorter than a pocket QB. Plus, why the hell would I want Payton Manning to become a better Athlete? Who the hell in their right mind would want Manning running around?

As for basketball, well, 31% all players drafted last year have been international players. Those white boys in Easter European ghettos are playing b-ball too. Granted they won't be flying high and jamming from sky high but they know how to play. They can shoot, they can dribble, and they know the Xs and Os. Why do you think they beat those "super star" NBA ballers in the Olympics and the World Championships?

This isn't a black and white thing...It's about talent. If you can play you get a contract. Race will always be an issue to some extent but I think Martin Luther King's dream is being realized now more so than ever. More and more teams are looking into a player's character than the color of their Skin. Not too many people wants a highly talented asshole on their team whether he is black or white.

[onlydarksets]

Well, I am a white boy, and I still think BMF21 is an idiot.

[BMF21]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Well, I am a white boy, and I still think BMF21 is an idiot.

oh I care, like know one notice it.....when the other day some whiteboy called Mutombo a monkey, yall pretend like it dont exist........I dont, and I can care less if I'm popular on here or not......sorry but ass kiss is yall business..............

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BMF21

oh I care, like know one notice it.....when the other day some whiteboy called Mutombo a monkey, yall pretend like it dont exist........I dont, and I can care less if I'm popular on here or not......sorry but ass kiss is yall business..............

You're comparing that, which I think everyone would agree was completely inappropriate, to us saying Vick is overrated? What about everyone saying bench Brunell, and start Campbell? Explain the racism there.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by BMF21

oh I care, like know one notice it.....when the other day some whiteboy called Mutombo a monkey, yall pretend like it dont exist........I dont, and I can care less if I'm popular on here or not......sorry but ass kiss is yall business..............

But, you just don't make any ......... sense.

There is enough racism out there that you don't need to make stuff up. And, unfortunately, when you do call people racist for no reason, that makes you part of the problem.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by BMF21

oh I care, like know one notice it.....when the other day some whiteboy called Mutombo a monkey, yall pretend like it dont exist........I dont, and I can care less if I'm popular on here or not......sorry but ass kiss is yall business..............

Has anyone on this site denied that racism exists? I didn't think so, so quit making things up.

You have NO basis for saying that ANYONE on this site is racist. You have shown no link at all between saying Vick is overrated and racism. Prior to this season, many on this site said Urlacher was overrated but you didn't see people lashing out and saying "yall blackboys are racist."

Oh, and you're not exactly endearing yourself to people when you tell everyone that ass kissing is our business. If ass kissing is our business, then making ignorant and unsupported allegations are yours.

[hands11]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Has anyone on this site denied that racism exists? I didn't think so, so quit making things up.

You have NO basis for saying that ANYONE on this site is racist. You have shown no link at all between saying Vick is overrated and racism. Prior to this season, many on this site said Urlacher was overrated but you didn't see people lashing out and saying "yall blackboys are racist."

Oh, and you're not exactly endearing yourself to people when you tell everyone that ass kissing is our business. If ass kissing is our business, then making ignorant and unsupported allegations are yours.

Come on guys, drop it. I just came over here from the Extreme Skins site in hopes that I would find a more mature crowd. At least let me live in my dream world for a day.

Last I checked people come here to talk about the Skins, not racism.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by hands11

Come on guys, drop it. I just came over here from the Extreme Skins site in hopes that I would find a more mature crowd. At least let me live in my dream world for a day.

Last I checked people come here to talk about the Skins, not racism.

You are correct sir. We are here to talk about the Redskins and, more generally, professional football. But this site has a ZERO tolerance policy for racist statements. Accordingly, we take allegations of racism very seriously. I wish we didn't have to address the issue, but BMF21 has forced our hands.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[BMF21]

isn't this site....for stating your opinion. well if it doesnt apply to you dont sweat it.......but if i does.................

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BMF21

isn't this site....for stating your opinion. well if it doesnt apply to you dont sweat it.......but if i does.................

Stating your opinion is one thing. Making a blanket accusation that we're all racist is completely different