The Season Is Over

[Oakland Red]

The season is over? It's about whether the Redskins are headed in the right direction overall, and that can't be judged based on one loss to a team presumed to be terrible (so bad they almost beat the Colts).

The combination of injuries and a new offensive approach is causing us to lose some games we might have won, but is the new offensive approach going to be make us better or worse in the long run? I say better.

We need more depth in the secondary; we signed Troy Vincent, we'll address the issue as a top concern in the offseason, but we have Springs starting to play again. We will get things turned around.

We can look forward to seeing the team come together and develop this year and be primed for a Super Bowl run next season. All is not lost. We have the right head coach who I would not trade for anyone, and the right coaching staff. We have players who stick together and won't start turning on each other because our record isn't what we hoped at this point.

The SI reporter had the NFC East teams all finishing 9-7 - even this season is a possibility as far as the playoffs. I look forward to seeing the team putting the pieces of the puzzle together over the course of the rest of this season.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Oakland Red

We need more depth in the secondary; we signed Troy Vincent, we'll address the issue as a top concern in the offseason, but we have Springs starting to play again. We will get things turned around.

it was a top priority this offseason (like kicker and punter and OL depth) and you saw how well those were addressed.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Oakland Red

The season is over? It's about whether the Redskins are headed in the right direction overall, and that can't be judged based on one loss to a team presumed to be terrible (so bad they almost beat the Colts).

The combination of injuries and a new offensive approach is causing us to lose some games we might have won, but is the new offensive approach going to be make us better or worse in the long run? I say better.

We need more depth in the secondary; we signed Troy Vincent, we'll address the issue as a top concern in the offseason, but we have Springs starting to play again. We will get things turned around.

We can look forward to seeing the team come together and develop this year and be primed for a Super Bowl run next season. All is not lost. We have the right head coach who I would not trade for anyone, and the right coaching staff. We have players who stick together and won't start turning on each other because our record isn't what we hoped at this point.

The SI reporter had the NFC East teams all finishing 9-7 - even this season is a possibility as far as the playoffs. I look forward to seeing the team putting the pieces of the puzzle together over the course of the rest of this season.

I disagree with the fact this team will be primed for a run at the SB next year because we have too many area's that need to be addressed before we can make such a prediction. The QB situation (which is of major concern) needs to be sorted out first and foremost. Depth, after our first twenty two, there's no much in terms of quality back ups's which we are seeing at present. We have so much of the cap invested in those twenty two, there's not a great deal left for quality back-up players. We have aging veterans at key positions, espically on defense (DE in particular) Wynn, and Daniels are getting long in the tooth, Griffin, and Salava's have experienced injury problems the past two seasons so their long term health has to be a concern. We just have so many across the board area's of concern it's difficult to predict at this time what the next season will be like. Just the thought of maybe starting a young QB with such limited experience is enough to give pause to any bold predictions.

[Butche106]

Defense wins games and get you in the playoffs. The die was cast when Gibbs didn't hold guys accountable in the pre-season. He allowed the players to feel ok about loosing. All fans heard it's not the regulor season, yet. We will not show our plays on defense or offense until the regulor season. They have been in shock since the 1st Lost to the Vikings. The coaches had been reading the press clippings since they got the free agents they wanted. 9-7 will not make the playoffs, but it will keep Brunell on the field. Al Saunders is not convince that Campbell is the guy since he arrive and Campbell will most likely end up playing somewhere else in 2 years.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Butche106

Defense wins games and get you in the playoffs. The die was cast when Gibbs didn't hold guys accountable in the pre-season. He allowed the players to feel ok about loosing. All fans heard it's not the regulor season, yet. We will not show our plays on defense or offense until the regulor season. They have been in shock since the 1st Lost to the Vikings. The coaches had been reading the press clippings since they got the free agents they wanted. 9-7 will not make the playoffs, but it will keep Brunell on the field. Al Saunders is not convince that Campbell is the guy since he arrive and Campbell will most likely end up playing somewhere else in 2 years.

I wouldn't make the assumption that what he's telling the press is the same thing he's telling the players. I really really don't think he told them it was ok to feel fine about losing.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Butche106

Defense wins games and get you in the playoffs. The die was cast when Gibbs didn't hold guys accountable in the pre-season. He allowed the players to feel ok about loosing. All fans heard it's not the regulor season, yet. We will not show our plays on defense or offense until the regulor season. They have been in shock since the 1st Lost to the Vikings. The coaches had been reading the press clippings since they got the free agents they wanted. 9-7 will not make the playoffs, but it will keep Brunell on the field. Al Saunders is not convince that Campbell is the guy since he arrive and Campbell will most likely end up playing somewhere else in 2 years.

grim. but hard to disagree with you. welcome to the board.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Butche106

Defense wins games and get you in the playoffs. The die was cast when Gibbs didn't hold guys accountable in the pre-season. He allowed the players to feel ok about loosing. All fans heard it's not the regulor season, yet. We will not show our plays on defense or offense until the regulor season. They have been in shock since the 1st Lost to the Vikings. The coaches had been reading the press clippings since they got the free agents they wanted. 9-7 will not make the playoffs, but it will keep Brunell on the field. Al Saunders is not convince that Campbell is the guy since he arrive and Campbell will most likely end up playing somewhere else in 2 years.

There's no way Campbell is playing somewhere else in 2 years, unless of course he turns out to be another Ryan Leaf type QB. But we won't find that out until next year.

I doubt Gibbs ever "allowed the players to feel ok about losing". They have all been there, done that as far as the preseason goes. They know what the goals are, and the first priority is not to win the games, but to get a feel for talent for when cuts must be made, make sure the guys learn to play as a team and properly execute the plays called on both sides of the ball. If you happen to win, great. If not, it's not the end of the world because it doesn't count.

[70Chip]

D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough . . . the tough get going. Who's with me? Let's Go! Come on! AAAAEEEEEGGGHHHH!! [Bluto runs out of the room alone; then returns] What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons. But that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let's do it.
Bluto: LET'S DO IT!

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough . . . the tough get going. Who's with me? Let's Go! Come on! AAAAEEEEEGGGHHHH!! [Bluto runs out of the room alone; then returns] What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons. But that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let's do it.
Bluto: LET'S DO IT!

Damn you 70Chip.....you beat me to it, however I bothered to change the names and details to give it a more Redskins feel, here:http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post231461

[Crat92]

Yeah you're right. But its so damn frustrating to have to use the phrase "next year" not even mid way through the season. HAIL from MCUSA!

[Oakland Red]

From ARTICLE: Redskins having no luck throwing the ball long (The Virginian-Pilot - HamptonRoads.com/PilotOnline.com)


Saunders has maintained since training camp that much of this season will be a learning process. He needs to learn the players and their strengths and weaknesses. The players need to learn and become comfortable with an offense that may be foreign to what they've known.


At first, Moss balked at the notion that learning is still going on, saying that the screens and short passes and reverses are "just part of the system, and it's a matter of just going out and doing it."


But a couple of minutes later, his position had shifted.


" It's a long season, man, and all we can do is keep going out there," he said. "Regardless of what people are saying and people are thinking, it's still a new offense, and we're going to find a way to make it work for us."

[DirtBagZ]

I am not really sure of what to say, 2-4 is 2-4, and definitely the record of a bad team. The Titans loss hurt in many ways, and one would think the team would have been motivated after laying an egg in the Meadowlands. I caught part of the John Riggin's Joe Gibb's Show on the radio and Riggo made a comment about, expectations and reality, and the truth of the matter is that everyone in the DC area who is Redskins fan, bought into the off-season hoopla that this was going to be a good team, now we have the reality of 2-4.

I hope the best for the team and want them to win every single game, realisticly though, that is not a highly probably outcome. The team seems to be out of sorts, and there are major problems on both the offense and the defence, I don't foresee this problems getting 'fixed' anytime soon. I guess in part this is why so many people focus on Brunell for it is easier to change the quarterback than it is to come up with a new defensive line, or secondary. Undoubtedly the big problem in the Tenesse game was the rookie DTs going through a painful learning curve, of learning the game.

The problem with the organization is the lack of a Plan B, in that Griffin has had health issues and likewise with Springs and John Hall, yet no effort was made to ensure that there was quality depth at these positions. In contrast you look at the Eagles, and they always seem to have quality depth on their defensive line, I find it remarkable that the basically just dump Corey Simon, a year ago, and keep getting good results. In contrast the Redskins are too 'star' focused in that in lot of money is vested in 'star' caliber starters but there is in adequate quality depth. Therefore, it should not come as a surprise that the team struggles when it looses starters. Until organization changes mind set, and gets away from 'star' players to Joe Gibb's 'Redskin' players these problems are going to continue. I remember the great teams of the 80s - 90s and those teams were not loaded with star players, after all, the Redskins were one of the first teams to have the fans glamorize the offensive line with the Hogs. The glamor team back then was the 49ers with Montanna, Rice, Craig, etc., not the Skins.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

I am not really sure of what to say, 2-4 is 2-4, and definitely the record of a bad team. The Titans loss hurt in many ways, and one would think the team would have been motivated after laying an egg in the Meadowlands. I caught part of the John Riggin's Joe Gibb's Show on the radio and Riggo made a comment about, expectations and reality, and the truth of the matter is that everyone in the DC area who is Redskins fan, bought into the off-season hoopla that this was going to be a good team, now we have the reality of 2-4.

I hope the best for the team and want them to win every single game, realisticly though, that is not a highly probably outcome. The team seems to be out of sorts, and there are major problems on both the offense and the defence, I don't foresee this problems getting 'fixed' anytime soon. I guess in part this is why so many people focus on Brunell for it is easier to change the quarterback than it is to come up with a new defensive line, or secondary. Undoubtedly the big problem in the Tenesse game was the rookie DTs going through a painful learning curve, of learning the game.

The problem with the organization is the lack of a Plan B, in that Griffin has had health issues and likewise with Springs and John Hall, yet no effort was made to ensure that there was quality depth at these positions. In contrast you look at the Eagles, and they always seem to have quality depth on their defensive line, I find it remarkable that the basically just dump Corey Simon, a year ago, and keep getting good results. In contrast the Redskins are too 'star' focused in that in lot of money is vested in 'star' caliber starters but there is in adequate quality depth. Therefore, it should not come as a surprise that the team struggles when it looses starters. Until organization changes mind set, and gets away from 'star' players to Joe Gibb's 'Redskin' players these problems are going to continue. I remember the great teams of the 80s - 90s and those teams were not loaded with star players, after all, the Redskins were one of the first teams to have the fans glamorize the offensive line with the Hogs. The glamor team back then was the 49ers with Montanna, Rice, Craig, etc., not the Skins.

The way the organization as a whole, Gibbs in our case over the last few years, is not a big fan of the draft. Gibbs window is not as long as it was in the 80's and 90's so the win now mentality is bigger than ever. They throw away picks that could provide qaulity depth at the line positions. They have used the 1st through 3rd rounds pretty good. they finally have selected players past the 4th that can contribute (Golston & montgomery). dont look for that to change. Our philosophy is why draft a guy who will need a few years of coaching when we can add a player who has played 3 or 4 years and contribute right away. That kills the prospect of developing young talent and getting quality depth. We have been a quick fix organization for a number of years. Until our team looks at the situation and says, he lets build from the draft, this is something we will have to live with. Dan will do what ever the coach says or what ever the coach wants (referring to gibbs).

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

The way the organization as a whole, Gibbs in our case over the last few years, is not a big fan of the draft. Gibbs window is not as long as it was in the 80's and 90's so the win now mentality is bigger than ever. They throw away picks that could provide qaulity depth at the line positions. They have used the 1st through 3rd rounds pretty good. they finally have selected players past the 4th that can contribute (Golston & montgomery). dont look for that to change. Our philosophy is why draft a guy who will need a few years of coaching when we can add a player who has played 3 or 4 years and contribute right away. That kills the prospect of developing young talent and getting quality depth. We have been a quick fix organization for a number of years. Until our team looks at the situation and says, he lets build from the draft, this is something we will have to live with. Dan will do what ever the coach says or what ever the coach wants (referring to gibbs).

56Fanatic - I am not going to disagree with everything that you said, but those old Redskins teams in the 1st Joe Gibbs Era, were not 100% built on free-agent veterans. Granted the Redskins were probably one of the most successful teams in terms of using Plan B free-agency and landed on of the first free-agents in Wilbur Marshall there was a lot of talent that was drafted. Darrel Green, Charles Mann, Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Mark Schlereth (probably misspelled his name), Brian Mitchell. Granted there were busts such as Desmond Howard, and Bobby Wilson (DT Michigan or Michigan St can't remember exactly but a big bust). Still those teams were not all big time free-agent based, like the modern Skins.

Fellow Skins fans, please forgive me if I have misspelled the names of any Redskins legends, I am a terrible speller.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

56Fanatic - I am not going to disagree with everything that you said, but those old Redskins teams in the 1st Joe Gibbs Era, were not 100% built on free-agent veterans. Granted the Redskins were probably one of the most successful teams in terms of using Plan B free-agency and landed on of the first free-agents in Wilbur Marshall there was a lot of talent that was drafted. Darrel Green, Charles Mann, Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Mark Schlereth (probably misspelled his name), Brian Mitchell. Granted there were busts such as Desmond Howard, and Bobby Wilson (DT Michigan or Michigan St can't remember exactly but a big bust). Still those teams were not all big time free-agent based, like the modern Skins.

Fellow Skins fans, please forgive me if I have misspelled the names of any Redskins legends, I am a terrible speller.

Jacoby was a free agent. But beside that, we have more draft picks playing key roles than people seem to want to believe. 3/5th of our starting O-line (Samuels, Dockery, Jansen), our #2 RB (Betts) our KR (Cartwright) our starting safety (Taylor) our starting corner (Rogers). Golston and Montgomery play major minutes at DT (starting out of necessity right now, probably sooner than they should be) I think opening day next year at the latest Jason Campbell and Rocky will be starting. Is Demetric Evans a draft pick? If so, that's another one. Chris Cooley is another one.