Can We Bench Brunell Now

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Not the Ramsey-Brunell thing again.....

well Someone else mentioned it earlier.... and I was really discussing how quick he was willing to pull an "inept QB".

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by railcon56

well Someone else mentioned it earlier.... and I was really discussing how quick he was willing to pull an "inept QB".

I got ya, railcon. Funny how someone mentions the word 'Ramsey' and some people think it's the Warpath's version of Armageddon.

I still believe it's the pride thing with Gibbs. He wants everyone to be sure he was right about Brunell, and we were all wrong. For some stretches, Gibbs had decent forsight about him. But I think we've seen basically all there is to see.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I got ya, railcon. Funny how someone mentions the word 'Ramsey' and some people think it's the Warpath's version of Armageddon.

I still believe it's the pride thing with Gibbs. He wants everyone to be sure he was right about Brunell, and we were all wrong. For some stretches, Gibbs had decent forsight about him. But I think we've seen basically all there is to see.

What does he have to prove though? He and Brunell proved that MB wasn't done after 2004 and could help lead a team to the playoffs. And Campbell is also Gibbs' guy so it's not like it would hurt Gibbs' pride as it were to put Campbell in there.

Like I've said before, I think Campbell has the tools to be the best quarterback we've had maybe since Sonny. That doesn't mean he's the answer right now. I don't think it has hurt his progress though to sit him. And I don't think that all the blame should be pinned on Brunell. If you bench him, there a lot of other people that need to be benched.

That all said, there is an increasingly bigger part of me that wants Brunell to go to coach Gibbs and say "We both know this isn't all my fault. As the QB though it's the burden I have to bear. But I've had a great career. I have nothing to prove to anyone anymore. All that's missing is a Super Bowl ring, and that's slipping away. So put the kid in. Let's see if he can add a spark to this team."

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What does he have to prove though? He and Brunell proved that MB wasn't done after 2004 and could help lead a team to the playoffs. And Campbell is also Gibbs' guy so it's not like it would hurt Gibbs' pride as it were to put Campbell in there.

And I don't think that all the blame should be pinned on Brunell. If you bench him, there a lot of other people that need to be benched.

You mean 'what does he have left to prove' ? Nothing. But maybe in Gibbs' mind he has to win it all with the guy he hand picked. Brunell might have been good for a team that was rebuilding, a very young team with lots of rookies struggling to find its identity. But that's not what the Redskins were. They were looking to find that final piece -- they were almost there. Brunell was not the QB to lead them anywhere.

I keep asking myself, are the receivers just not getting open? Do we not have an adequate running game? Is the O-line in shambles? The answers to these questions are all "no." So what's left?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I got ya, railcon. Funny how someone mentions the word 'Ramsey' and some people think it's the Warpath's version of Armageddon.

I still believe it's the pride thing with Gibbs. He wants everyone to be sure he was right about Brunell, and we were all wrong. For some stretches, Gibbs had decent forsight about him. But I think we've seen basically all there is to see.

I pretty much was saying the same thing in my previous post Beem before I saw yours, Gibbs has accomplished everything in football except 1 thing and that is being a GM, and I do believe that's a big mountain he want's to conquer, so it's much easier for him to step aside when it comes to play calling because he's proven he was one of the all time great playcallers, but GM is another story, it's the old saying we alway's want what we can't have, and that I feel is Gibbs problem, he wants to be known as a great GM and he hasen't a clue. Beathard kept him stocked with talent that could impose it's will on other teams that makes coaching much easier, well it's not so easy when you don't have dominating talent at all positions.


Let me be the first to bring ARMAGEDDON to the Warpath, RAMSEY!

[irish]

Gibbs is never going to bench MB. MB wont be the QB next year, maybe it will be Campbell (maybe not) but all that means is another rebuild year with a new QB learning the system.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by irish

Gibbs is never going to bench MB. MB wont be the QB next year, maybe it will be Campbell (maybe not) but all that means is another rebuild year with a new QB learning the system.

Philip Rivers anyone? Jason Campbell projects to the NFL just as well. Why rush him?

[#56fanatic]

Brunell is A problem, but maybe not THE problems. Yes he struggles. But come on, we were playing a winless team with the worst rush D in the NFL. Portis ran the ball 15 times, hardly at all in the second half. We were up 14 to 3!! and played like we were down 21 points. Our D could not get off the field, the gave up multiple 3rd and longs, a RB who was fighting for a job a few weeks ago looked like a hall of famer against us. I just dont see the urgency from the team. No pressure, the offense has no identity. it is starting to look like Spurrier is calling the plays from South Carolina. Tennessee ran the ball 41 times!! we got out coached and out played. We were down 3 points with all most 6 minutes to go and we chuck the ball 3 times in a row, are you kidding me!! Like I said, I want to see Campbell too, but when the coaching staff is calling these bullshit plays its hard to see that changing the QB will make any difference. If we put Campbell in, we are essentially saying lets forget this season and get some reps for the kid for next season. You think that will do anything for the locker room? I think it will only break any spirit that is in the locker room. joe has to step up and say look Al, this is what I want to run. screw all these reverses, pitches left, pitches right. we need to run at the D, I saw Randy Thomas come off the field yesterday after that 3 throws and punt towards the end of the game and he looked like he was ready to kill somebody. Our O line wants to play smashmouth football. They carried us to the playoffs last year, lets allow them to do it this year. I think it was Boswells article, we have portis, betts, cartwright, sellers, and duckett. who would be able to stop us if we really wanted to run the ball 40+ times a game? NOBODY!!

[724Skinsfan]

You're right about Thomas. That looked to me like it was more than just simple frustration. The question is: What's he going to do? The team needs a leader to step up and call out players and coaches. Maybe, it's being done already but I'll bet it's hard to vocalize your feelings to several former head coaches and a Hall of Fame coach. Maybe the problem is that the players feel since they have the greatest coaching staff ever assembled that it's going to work without their complete dedication or intensity. Maybe not.

Complaining about the offense isn't going to help correct the defense. Even in the games we won the defense didn't look particularly impressive. Against the Jaguars the offense had to put up over a ton of yards to win. The way it looks now our formula for winning is acrue over 450+ yards every game because the defense won't hold the opponent to any less.

TACKLE! Just tackle the ball-carrier!

[irish]

Did anyone just hear on Sports Talk 980 where Andy Pollen said that reports said a chant "thank you Mark Brunell" could be heard coming through the closed doors of theTitans locker room after the game.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by irish

Did anyone just hear on Sports Talk 980 where Andy Pollen said that reports said a chant "thank you Mark Brunell" could be heard coming through the closed doors of theTitans locker room after the game.

I'm sure that report is total BS.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I'm sure that report is total BS.

It was in the WP, reported by someone who heard it from the visiting teams' locker room.

The question I have for you is, why is that so far-fetched that something like that could be said?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Did anyone just hear on Sports Talk 980 where Andy Pollen said that reports said a chant "thank you Mark Brunell" could be heard coming through the closed doors of theTitans locker room after the game.

It should have been thank you Al Saunders for not pounding the rock all day long. 14 carries for Portis... that's not Redskins football.

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It should have been thank you Al Saunders for not pounding the rock all day long. 14 carries for Portis... that's not Redskins football.

yeah, this one still mystifies me. completely.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.

yeah, this one still mystifies me. completely.

i have an idea why. Portis is easy to commit to and stop if your team poses no vertical air threat. Saunders ran the ball alot using Moss and Randle El, so that Portis wasn't the only ground threat to key on. clever attempt to hide your offense's vulnerabilty (Brunell and his middle of the field phobia), but alas keeping everyone within 10yds of the line of schrimmage stopped our screens too. sigh