Passing: A Deeper Look

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

If I remember right, just two of Brunell's deep passes were for INTs. I figured if people really wanted to take an ever deeper look into it they could do it themselves. The intent here wasn't to prove any point. Personally, I feel he's throw deep more often than given credit but more importantly I don't think it's as important as almost everyone else seems to think. The reason for posting this was that I was just getting tired of hearing how he NEVER throws deep and the rest of the league does all the time., without anyone providing any numbers.

I understand and appreciate you shedding light on the subject... People in general shouldn't care about all that as long as the plays are being made, but my biggest concern from the last game regarding brunell's throws, are he hit more blue guys in the hands and chest with the ball than I care to remember... on short throws...

The Int at the end was just him looking to get the ball to the only guy he's comfortable with bailing him out, but now defenses will be keying in on that. I thought that was why we brought in these other two guys, but whatever...

[memphisskin]

Thanks TAFKAS for the spreadsheet, Brunell's up and down performance is well documented in that spreadsheet.

My point in questioning Brunell's deep passing ability is that it "appears" that his reluctance to go deep and stretch the field is hindering our receivers ability to get open on the short routes. Either our wideouts are running horrible routes, or they just don't respect Brunell's ability to go deep.

Another perception problem, teams don't seem to have any difficulty in going deep against us and I still believe we have a pretty good defense. I watched McNabb vs. the Giants and wondered if Brunell could have made those same throws, and thus far he hasn't proved that he can consistently. My frustration comes from seeing him complete a 53 yarder to Lloyd vs the Titans and then seeing him bounce a 10 yard pass to him on the next series.

Watching Brunell vs the Giants he did seem to have some pop in his arm, but against the Titans that pop was missing.

[skinnyfan]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Thanks TAFKAS for the spreadsheet, Brunell's up and down performance is well documented in that spreadsheet.

My point in questioning Brunell's deep passing ability is that it "appears" that his reluctance to go deep and stretch the field is hindering our receivers ability to get open on the short routes. Either our wideouts are running horrible routes, or they just don't respect Brunell's ability to go deep.

Another perception problem, teams don't seem to have any difficulty in going deep against us and I still believe we have a pretty good defense. I watched McNabb vs. the Giants and wondered if Brunell could have made those same throws, and thus far he hasn't proved that he can consistently. My frustration comes from seeing him complete a 53 yarder to Lloyd vs the Titans and then seeing him bounce a 10 yard pass to him on the next series.

Watching Brunell vs the Giants he did seem to have some pop in his arm, but against the Titans that pop was missing.

Spot on post. A lot of corners are sitting down on the short routes and daring Mark to go downfield and beat them........he just is unable to do it, and will not do it.

[Beemnseven]

Heard an interesting point about the passing game today by a local beat reporter. When asked if the receivers are getting open, he said that usually in the NFL, being "open" can many times be just half a step from the defender. On the intermediate routes, the deep ins, outs, hooks and square-ins, Brunell for whatever reason doesn't make those throws anymore.

Does it seem to anyone else that he either gives us the occasional desperation heave to Moss, or the 10-yard or less completions? The latter seem to be the only types of passes that get completed with any consistency.