It's not Brunell's fault!

T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R. · 10-23-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

no throws deep = 10 in the box = no running or screen game. Either he can't throw long or he won't, but strictly horizontal offenses don't work in the NFL.

watching the game, that's what hurt the most. i thought portis was playing well given what he had. what he had was everyone up on the line. 3/4 of the way through the game my roommate (a pats fan who rarely watches redskins games) comments, "holy crap. does he ever throw it more than 5 yards?"

skinnyfan · 10-22-2006, 08:23 PM

I hate Brunell as much as the next guy and think we should start Campbell's career now. But is it just me or do Samuels and Jansen look like they have concrete blocks around their feet? I mean Samuels must've held every other play today. Our line is just not good unless we are MAX FUCKING protecting. Brunell sucks, but our line is also very average.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-22-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by skinnyfan

I hate Brunell as much as the next guy and think we should start Campbell's career now. But is it just me or do Samuels and Jansen look like they have concrete blocks around their feet? I mean Samuels must've held every other play today. Our line is just not good unless we are MAX FUCKING protecting. Brunell sucks, but our line is also very average.

Agreed. This was a bad game for Samuels, but he gets a pass because he has been pretty consistent this year and everyone is entitled to have an off day. On the other hand, Jansen has looked bad ALL season long. I'm starting to really wonder what is wrong with Jansen.

Gmanc711 · 10-22-2006, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Agreed. This was a bad game for Samuels, but he gets a pass because he has been pretty consistent this year and everyone is entitled to have an off day. On the other hand, Jansen has looked bad ALL season long. I'm starting to really wonder what is wrong with Jansen.

Honestly though, I know Samuels didnt play well....but Freeney is one of the best (prob #2 behind Peppers) defensive ends in the league....why the hell did we leave Samuels out on an island with him and not give him any freaking help???

Especially after it was conistently happening for a half, why not have sellers chip him or somthing. Christ that pissed me off.

NYCSkin · 10-22-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Honestly though, I know Samuels didnt play well....but Freeney is one of the best (prob #2 behind Peppers) defensive ends in the league....why the hell did we leave Samuels out on an island with him and not give him any freaking help???

Especially after it was conistently happening for a half, why not have sellers chip him or somthing. Christ that pissed me off.

Also when you're behind, those DEs can just tee off on our OTs. Samuels and Jansen are serviceable and better when they are not playing on their heels. In the Sanders offense they are just exposed more since we are not Max protecting anymore.

skinnyfan · 10-22-2006, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCSkin

Also when you're behind, those DEs can just tee off on our OTs. Samuels and Jansen are serviceable and better when they are not playing on their heels. In the Sanders offense they are just exposed more since we are not Max protecting anymore.

I agree with the whole behind issue, but there was a protection problem from the start. They may not have sacked Brunell too often, but they sure as hell hurried him and with Brunell "a hurry" is just as good as a sack because he is scared to death to step up in the pocket and take a hit and too slow to run away from anyone. Our line, behind or not, is very average. They all bitched about smashmouth football all week and on Portis' first 7 carries he had 1 yard. And when we dropped back to pass Brunell had about 2.5 seconds to get rid of it. Our line is not good........period, no excuses for them. 3 points against the Giants, couldn't run on the Titans in the second half....avg. of 1.2 yards per carry in that game, and really couldn't run today until late when they scored a garbage TD and that came when the Colts were laying back and giving the underneath stuff up. With tackles like Samuels and Jansen they should be counted on for WAY more than just serviceable.

skinnyfan · 10-22-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Agreed. This was a bad game for Samuels, but he gets a pass because he has been pretty consistent this year and everyone is entitled to have an off day. On the other hand, Jansen has looked bad ALL season long. I'm starting to really wonder what is wrong with Jansen.

Totally agree with that.....hey....does anyone know what Lloyd was so hot about on the sideline today?? Besides us getting our ass handed to us and Brunell constantly throwing 4 yard passes on 3rd and 7.

Mc2guy · 10-22-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by skinnyfan

Totally agree with that.....hey....does anyone know what Lloyd was so hot about on the sideline today?? Besides us getting our ass handed to us and Brunell constantly throwing 4 yard passes on 3rd and 7.

If I had to guess, I would say that the receivers are frustrated with being open and not getting the ball. Lloyd may have been told to hold his toungue by another player, I don't know, but I would be frustrated if I were those guys.

skinnyfan · 10-22-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mc2guy

If I had to guess, I would say that the receivers are frustrated with being open and not getting the ball. Lloyd may have been told to hold his toungue by another player, I don't know, but I would be frustrated if I were those guys.

thats what I hope it is. I don't want to see Mark anymore.....really don't care if we win another game....just want to finally see what Campbell has.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-22-2006, 08:25 PM

Hesscl,

Brunell's stats are okay; he completes a high number of his passes, doesn't throw picks, and doesn't force plays. Moreover, he's playing behind a bad O-line.

HOWEVER, Brunell appears incapable of throwing more than 2 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Is it any wonder that teams do not respect our deep game? Brunell simply provides this team with NO spark. The guy is 36 and is taking us nowehere. I don't understand how anyone can honestly believe that Brunell isn't part of the problem.

hesscl34 · 10-22-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Hesscl,

Brunell's stats are okay; he completes a high number of his passes, doesn't throw picks, and doesn't force plays. Moreover, he's playing behind a bad O-line.

HOWEVER, Brunell appears incapable of throwing more than 2 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Is it any wonder that teams do not respect our deep game? Brunell simply provides this team with NO spark. The guy is 36 and is taking us nowehere. I don't understand how anyone can honestly believe that Brunell isn't part of the problem.

"He's playing behind a bad O ling".. exactly. Burrell may be part of the overall problem, but he wasn’t at fault today, and you cannot pin it on him. It's ego, period. It's about a team that thought they had it all and are disgusted that they cant' get it done. Well, life isn't easy. You either work for it or you are out.... Looks like "life" has bit the Skins right in the ass.

illdefined · 10-22-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

"He's playing behind a bad O ling".. exactly. Burrell may be part of the overall problem, but he wasn’t at fault today, and you cannot pin it on him. It's ego, period. It's about a team that thought they had it all and are disgusted that they cant' get it done. Well, life isn't easy. You either work for it or you are out.... Looks like "life" has bit the Skins right in the ass.

Hess,
sorry, but that was the line for LAST week, you know when we lost to the 0-5 Titans?

i guarantee the Redskins weren't feeling overconfident in this game, this was the 5-0 Colts. even at half with the lead (thank god for Randle El).

The O-line can't be expected to give Brunell the kind of time he needs on every single play, because with Brunell's passing style it would take 10 passes to get 30yds unless the receivers break one.

hesscl34 · 10-22-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

Hess,
sorry, but that was the line for LAST week, you know when we lost to the 0-5 Titans?

i guarantee the Redskins weren't feeling overconfident in this game, this was the 5-0 Colts. even at half with the lead (thank god for Randle El).

The O-line can't be expected to give Brunell the kind of time he needs on every single play, because with Brunell's passing style it would take 10 passes to get 30yds unless the receivers break one.

Right up unti 1/2 time. They go in feeling great and they come out stinking it up. ... It's ego. I'm convinced. But that's jut my opinon.

Longtimefan · 10-22-2006, 09:36 PM

Let's face it guys, there's a whole lot wrong with this football team, so much so I wouldn't know where to start fixing it. You're right it's not Brunell's fault, it' the coaching staff's fault for continuing to put him out there. The coaching staff is responsible for a great deal thas wrong with this team, too much has been invested for the results we're seeing.

RedskinRat · 10-22-2006, 08:29 PM

With Brunell it's either one of two things:

He can't do what he's required to do according to the play called for the down so he 'panic-checks' to the nearest option.

The Coaches don't trust him to throw anywhere over 10 yards and so they modify the gameplan to stay conservative.

Either way you're never going to win a game with that plan unless the other team spots us 14 at the start.

10-22-2006, 08:25 PM	#10
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 8,317	Re: It's not Brunell's fault! Hesscl, Brunell's stats are okay; he completes a high number of his passes, doesn't throw picks, and doesn't force plays. Moreover, he's playing behind a bad O-line. HOWEVER, Brunell appears incapable of throwing more than 2 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Is it any wonder that teams do not respect our deep game? Brunell simply provides this team with NO spark. The guy is 36 and is taking us nowehere. I don't understand how anyone can honestly believe that Brunell isn't part of the problem.

10-22-2006, 09:36 PM	#14
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: It's not Brunell's fault! Let's face it guys, there's a whole lot wrong with this football team, so much so I wouldn't know where to start fixing it. You're right it's not Brunell's fault, it' the coaching staff's fault for continuing to put him out there. The coaching staff is responsible for a great deal thas wrong with this team, too much has been invested for the results we're seeing.

10-22-2006, 08:29 PM	#15
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: It's not Brunell's fault! With Brunell it's either one of two things: He can't do what he's required to do according to the play called for the down so he 'panic-checks' to the nearest option. The Coaches don't trust him to throw anywhere over 10 yards and so they modify the gameplan to stay conservative. Either way you're never going to win a game with that plan unless the other team spots us 14 at the start.

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10-22-2006, 08:23 PM	#2
skinnyfan Special Teams Join Date: May 2005 Age: 49 Posts: 111	Re: It's not Brunell's fault! I hate Brunell as much as the next guy and think we should start Campbell's career now. But is it just me or do Samuels and Jansen look like they have concrete blocks around their feet? I mean Samuels must've held every other play today. Our line is just not good unless we are MAX FUCKING protecting. Brunell sucks, but our line is also very average.

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