It's not Brunell's fault!

[celts32]

The problem is that most of Brunel's completions are checkdowns and on TV it's impossible to know on how many of them did he have options down field that he is not taking advantage of.

Even if it's not Brunel's fault it's still time to see what Campbel can do.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by celts32

The problem is that most of Brunel's completions are checkdowns and on TV it's impossible to know on how many of them did he have options down field that he is not taking advantage of.

Even if it's not Brunel's fault it's still time to see what Campbel can do.

I saw a few shots of both Cooley and Lloyd running wide open, watch Brunell throw to a back in the flats, and throw their hands up in the air in frustration. I also saw one such shot of Moss. I'd kill to get my hands on gamefilm and see which receivers were open and why Brunell couldn't get the ball downfield.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by celts32

The problem is that most of Brunel's completions are checkdowns and on TV it's impossible to know on how many of them did he have options down field that he is not taking advantage of.

Celts, I wondered the same thing last week. I don't go to the games, so you can't really tell if the wideouts are getting open or not on TV.

But someone on the radio had an interesting viewpoint on whether the WRs are getting open -- in the NFL, getting open usually means only half a step from the defender. In this league, you must have a quarterback who can zip the ball in tight places -- sometimes on their back foot under heavy pressure.

Brunell seems to be good for two types of passes: Short, controlled throws within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, or desperation heaves to Moss, many times relying only on luck or Moss' ability to adjust to the ball.

But we must be wrong, because Gibbs obviously sees it differently.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Celts, I wondered the same thing last week. I don't go to the games, so you can't really tell if the wideouts are getting open or not on TV.

But someone on the radio had an interesting viewpoint on whether the WRs are getting open -- in the NFL, getting open usually means only half a step from the defender. In this league, you must have a quarterback who can zip the ball in tight places -- sometimes on their back foot under heavy pressure.

Brunell seems to be good for two types of passes: Short, controlled throws within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, or desperation heaves to Moss, many times relying only on luck or Moss' ability to adjust to the ball.

But we must be wrong, because Gibbs obviously sees it differently.

I believe people were open,but it's hard to say for sure without the coaches tape. When they review these game tapes they know precisely how many opportunities Brunel missed yet he keeps starting games. So maybe it's not as many as we think it is. As much as we know Gibbs loves Brunel, I don't believe for a second he loves him more than winning.

My take on Brunel is that he's just not a difference maker anymore...he is capable of winning when the entire team plays well around him but incapable of winning when any phase of the team breaks down. He will never pull a game out of the fire for you when things aren't going well.

[NYCSkin]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Celts, I wondered the same thing last week. I don't go to the games, so you can't really tell if the wideouts are getting open or not on TV.

But someone on the radio had an interesting viewpoint on whether the WRs are getting open -- in the NFL, getting open usually means only half a step from the defender. In this league, you must have a quarterback who can zip the ball in tight places -- sometimes on their back foot under heavy pressure.

Brunell seems to be good for two types of passes: Short, controlled throws within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, or desperation heaves to Moss, many times relying only on luck or Moss' ability to adjust to the ball.

But we must be wrong, because Gibbs obviously sees it differently.

Gibbs does see it differently. But I think Saunders sees it like most of us--he doesn't want Brunell in there either. His offense does not have as it's primary read--the 5 yard checkdown. It is just that--a checkdown--that Brunell chooses time and time again. I can't imagine that the primary read is always covered...

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Celts, I wondered the same thing last week. I don't go to the games, so you can't really tell if the wideouts are getting open or not on TV.

But someone on the radio had an interesting viewpoint on whether the WRs are getting open -- in the NFL, getting open usually means only half a step from the defender. In this league, you must have a quarterback who can zip the ball in tight places -- sometimes on their back foot under heavy pressure.

Brunell seems to be good for two types of passes: Short, controlled throws within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, or desperation heaves to Moss, many times relying only on luck or Moss' ability to adjust to the ball.

But we must be wrong, because Gibbs obviously sees it differently.

The worst part of the offense isn't Brunell, it's the shoddy play of our supposedly studly O-line. They have regressed badly since the late season playoff run. Give Brunell a pocket that he can step up in, and he can still throw a decent deep ball. The 50 yard throw to Lloyd last week was a thing of beauty. My biggest knock on Brunell would be his tunnel vision for Moss and Cooley, but he did a better job utilizing ARE and Lloyd today. Bottom line, when the O-line protects more consistently, our QB will be able to get the ball downfield.

[jdlea]

Another thing...the only time he did throw in the middle of the field the ball was up. The Skins receivers aren't big enough to take shots from safeties because Mark's hanging them out to dry. He keeps throwing like that, they're gonna get their heads knocked off.

[Citizens for 81]

The OL has had only 1 solid game this season. Samuels and Jansen are having horrible seasons. They both gave up sacks today, for the second week in a row. Most probowl tackels give up less than 5 a season. Its hard to trash Brunell when he can't even set his feet to throw because he's running for his life.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Celts, I wondered the same thing last week. I don't go to the games, so you can't really tell if the wideouts are getting open or not on TV.

And I have season tickets and have been to every home game this year and I still can't tell if people are always open. I see sometimes where they are open and he misfires or doesn't see the guy, but when I watch the offense my eyes are usually fixated on the backfield to see what they are doing with the ball. I usually don't look at the WR's unless the ball goes to them. I just can't train my eyes to see everything and i can't bring myself to miss a play so i can watch just the WR's. I would love for someone to fill me in on how to watch everything at the same time.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Celts, I wondered the same thing last week. I don't go to the games, so you can't really tell if the wideouts are getting open or not on TV.

But someone on the radio had an interesting viewpoint on whether the WRs are getting open -- in the NFL, getting open usually means only half a step from the defender. In this league, you must have a quarterback who can zip the ball in tight places -- sometimes on their back foot under heavy pressure.

Brunell seems to be good for two types of passes: Short, controlled throws within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, or desperation heaves to Moss, many times relying only on luck or Moss' ability to adjust to the ball.

But we must be wrong, because Gibbs obviously sees it differently.

The only game I've been to where Brunell was the starter. That was the opener. The game against Minnesota. When I openly admitted that I booed the team. It was directed at Brunell. Why? Because I saw them in the red zone with Cooley or Moss (happened on 2 occasions) running free across the back of the end zone and all it would have taken was a little mustard on the ball for 6. What does he do? Throws it away once and takes a sack the other time. That's why I was booing the team in week 1. I know these guys can get open. You don't just forget how to do that this year. The ball's not getting there. Why else would Lloyd be flipping out?