It's not Brunell's fault!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by mike340

Another thing that's happened this year is that Saunders's system doesn't allow for many audibles at the line of scrimmage. Brunell did that (I believe effectively) in prior years. As you saw, Peyton changed many plays at the line of scrimmage. As it is, there is now no way to adjust a play for the defensive set. This has got to make life harder for the offense.

The offense is averaging 20 points/game. 21/game two years ago would have gone 13-2-1. But our defense is allowing 26/game!
Who has allowed more total points than we have(171)? The Jets, Lions, and 49ers. That's it!
To contrast, at Denver's current rate, their defense would take 1 1/2 years to yield 171 points.

All good points. As far as MB this week, I'm not sure what you (the Warpath collective) would want from him? More deep incompletions? Is that what makes a great QB? Let's see who can throw down the field out of the reach of everyone. Then the D will really respect us! Sadly, this is really what some of you want.

Brunell went down the field twice in the first half, completed one, and the other seemed like a pretty good throw that Santana almost got to. I think we were all victim of some questionable third down playcalling in the 3rd Quarter.

The guy is averageing OVER 7 yards an attempt (7.11 yards/attempt) on the year with less than a pick every two games. (For comparisons sake: Peyton Manning 7.87, Tom Brady 6.49, Jake Delhomme 6.62, Drew Bledsoe 6.71, Brett Favre 6.22) Hell, with those stats, I'd throw every play if I didn't have CP in the backfield.

So why throw down the field anymore than they are? If the offense is based on safe passes (which it is), and the goal of the offense is to move the ball efficently (which they have been doing), why the hell is a lack of fly routes a problem?

There is a lot to like about the offense from this game. Cooley appears to be reemerging. Brunell is spreading the ball, as Randle El, Moss, Lloyd, Betts, Portis, and Cooley all caught multiple passes. They go up and down the field with relative ease. I think the OLine struggled in the 2nd half and Brunell got beat up.

But if 73% completion and an interceptionless game doesn't satisfy you, then I mean WHAT THE HELL WOULD?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

All good points. As far as MB this week, I'm not sure what you (the Warpath collective) would want from him? More deep incompletions? Is that what makes a great QB? Let's see who can throw down the field out of the reach of everyone. Then the D will really respect us! Sadly, this is really what some of you want.

Brunell went down the field twice in the first half, completed one, and the other seemed like a pretty good throw that Santana almost got to. I think we were all victim of some questionable third down playcalling in the 3rd Quarter.

The guy is averageing OVER 7 yards an attempt (7.11 yards/attempt) on the year with less than a pick every two games. (For comparisons sake: Peyton Manning 7.87, Tom Brady 6.49, Jake Delhomme 6.62, Drew Bledsoe 6.71, Brett Favre 6.22) Hell, with those stats, I'd throw every play if I didn't have CP in the backfield.

So why throw down the field anymore than they are? If the offense is based on safe passes (which it is), and the goal of the offense is to move the ball efficently (which they have been doing), why the hell is a lack of fly routes a problem?

There is a lot to like about the offense from this game. Cooley appears to be reemerging. Brunell is spreading the ball, as Randle El, Moss, Lloyd, Betts, Portis, and Cooley all caught multiple passes. They go up and down the field with relative ease. I think the OLine struggled in the 2nd half and Brunell got beat up.

But if 73% completion and an interceptionless game doesn't satisfy you, then I mean WHAT THE HELL WOULD?

is this a joke? i really hope it is.

if you can't complete deep, no one is going to keep guys out of the box. you're mistaking stats for facts. the stats are nice, but they're garbage. without the last drive, he has 160 yards for the game. he kept throwing for 4 yards when he needed 8. he refuses to throw over the middle of the field. he refuses to throw deep. it looks like he's just out there to be out there. his numbers are more YAC inflated than most.


and no, qbs on bad teams rack up a LOT more garbage time stats on winning teams.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

he refuses to throw over the middle of the field. he refuses to throw deep. it looks like he's just out there to be out there. his numbers are more YAC inflated than most.

So a lot of people like to say Brunell either refuses to throw deep or is scared to, but isn't it entirely possible that's what's being asked of him? I mean, what happens if Campbell comes in and starts doing the same thing? Then what do we say?

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

So a lot of people like to say Brunell either refuses to throw deep or is scared to, but isn't it entirely possible that's what's being asked of him? I mean, what happens if Campbell comes in and starts doing the same thing? Then what do we say?

I would hope he's being ask to win, and he ain't doing that at 2-5.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

I would hope he's being ask to win, and he ain't doing that at 2-5.

Teams win, individuals don't, ask Elway?

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Teams win, individuals don't, ask Elway?

Yeah I know, but the QB gets the credit either way. Brunell would have been a great backup.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Yeah I know, but the QB gets the credit either way. Brunell would have been a great backup.

I would like to see him get that oppurtunity, as I like most figure this seasons done and bring on JC and 2007

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

So a lot of people like to say Brunell either refuses to throw deep or is scared to, but isn't it entirely possible that's what's being asked of him? I mean, what happens if Campbell comes in and starts doing the same thing? Then what do we say?

chicken or egg? possibly it's being asked of him because the coaching staff feels that's what's suited to his skills.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

So a lot of people like to say Brunell either refuses to throw deep or is scared to, but isn't it entirely possible that's what's being asked of him? I mean, what happens if Campbell comes in and starts doing the same thing? Then what do we say?

what do we say?

what every Brunell defender on warpath has been saying when making excuses for MB. "it takes a year to learn Saunder's new offense". which i never quite understood because that meant Brunell would've mastered it by the ripe age of 37...

regardless, losing teaching this offense to Campbell is much better for us than losing teaching Brunell.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by illdefined

what do we say?

what every Brunell defender on warpath has been saying when making excuses for MB. "it takes a year to learn Saunder's new offense". which i never quite understood because that meant Brunell would've mastered it by the ripe age of 37...

regardless, losing teaching this offense to Campbell is much better for us than losing teaching Brunell.

What I'm saying is suppose Campbell comes out there and he's throwing the same passes, 3 step drop and screen. And we see that whoever is at QB we're still running the same offense, then who do we blame-Gibbs, Saunders, Campbell, the O-line? All I'm saying is we all assume that Campbell is going to come in and launch bombs all game long, but isn't it entirely possible that may not be the case?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What I'm saying is suppose Campbell comes out there and he's throwing the same passes, 3 step drop and screen. And we see that whoever is at QB we're still running the same offense, then who do we blame-Gibbs, Saunders, Campbell, the O-line? All I'm saying is we all assume that Campbell is going to come in and launch bombs all game long, but isn't it entirely possible that may not be the case?

if that's the case, then wtf is saunders here? if they're not asked to throw deep in the first place, than those coaches shouldn't be running the offense. It doesn't need to be 60's raiders, but show me something instead of dump offs 5 yards short on every other 3rd down.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

if that's the case, then wtf is saunders here? if they're not asked to throw deep in the first place, than those coaches shouldn't be running the offense. It doesn't need to be 60's raiders, but show me something instead of dump offs 5 yards short on every other 3rd down.

I'd like to see some more agressive third down playcalling. But not downfield, just thrown at the marker on third and seven or third and eight. Chris Cooley. The dump off works a lot more than people credit it for, but we rely on it a bit to much on third down, I think. Chris Cooley.

I believe throwing down the field on third-and too-far-to-go-for-it-on-4th is highly counter productive. Chris Cooley.


Remember, Chris Cooley, our home run plays are the quick screen to Santana, and Portis off tackle. We really don't need a deep ball. If they are all in the box like people truely think they are, run a draw. Touchdown. Unless of course they have a safety back defending the deep ball that you all want to see so damn bad. Chris Cooley.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What I'm saying is suppose Campbell comes out there and he's throwing the same passes, 3 step drop and screen. And we see that whoever is at QB we're still running the same offense, then who do we blame-Gibbs, Saunders, Campbell, the O-line? All I'm saying is we all assume that Campbell is going to come in and launch bombs all game long, but isn't it entirely possible that may not be the case?

i really doubt the Saunders playbook is 700 pages of dump offs. most pass plays have a reciever options in different parts of the field, not just behind the line of schrimmage.

yeah Brunell is trained to dump off on a blitz, but its become too much of reflex so defenses just gameplan that. if Brunell had the legs and reaction time to see who is open because of that blitz.....Ladell Betts wouldn't be our "go to guy"

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What I'm saying is suppose Campbell comes out there and he's throwing the same passes, 3 step drop and screen. And we see that whoever is at QB we're still running the same offense, then who do we blame-Gibbs, Saunders, Campbell, the O-line? All I'm saying is we all assume that Campbell is going to come in and launch bombs all game long, but isn't it entirely possible that may not be the case?

It would be sweet if it was.

But yeah, I was thinking of that the other day. Campbell may be a great quarterback eventually, but one thing I can be almost certain of is that he is not the cureall.

We tend to assume a different QB is a cure-all here in DC and usually that isn't the case. We need a healthy O-line that is a bunch of headbusters to rally behind Campbell, give him time, and spread the ball out. At the very least, let JC execute our offense and judge whether or not he's the answer.

I'm glad I'm no head coach and that's not my job, cause that is hard to do.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

It would be sweet if it was.

But yeah, I was thinking of that the other day. Campbell may be a great quarterback eventually, but one thing I can be almost certain of is that he is not the cureall.

We tend to assume a different QB is a cure-all here in DC and usually that isn't the case. We need a healthy O-line that is a bunch of headbusters to rally behind Campbell, give him time, and spread the ball out. At the very least, let JC execute our offense and judge whether or not he's the answer.

I'm glad I'm no head coach and that's not my job, cause that is hard to do.

The most popular player always seems to be the backup QB. Remember when the Bills went to four straight Super Bowls, my friends in Buffalo say that Frank Reich was more popular than Jim Kelly anyway. Gmanc, can you confirm?

I'm still torn on whether Campbell should be starting now. At the very least though, he should be the #2 guy. Another thing I'm curious about-if Campbell does get the starting nod will Brunell be bumped down to #2 or #3?