The Moves We Should Make Next Year (merged)

[mheisig]

This is just terrifying (from a long article on Parcells with some comments on the Redskins):

"Referring to Al Saunders, Parcells says: “This other guy, I think, he’s a lot more indiscriminate. I think he’s not going to be as concerned about the effect on his defense.” In other words, the Redskins’ defense will pay the price — in time spent on the field, in fatigue — for Saunders’s disinterest in controlling the ball and the clock."

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by mheisig

This is just terrifying (from a long article on Parcells with some comments on the Redskins):

how bout:
"Parcells points out Redskins right tackle Jon Jansen. “This is Jansen getting pushed back,” he says. “He doesn’t look like the player he was a couple of years ago.” The right side of the Redskins’ line seems to have trouble with twists. If Newman can cover Moss long enough, Jansen won’t be able to hold off Greg Ellis or Marcus Spears, the Cowboys’ pass rushers he has to block."

[SmootSmack]

I certainly hope the Redskins are using this as bulletin board material

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by mheisig

This is just terrifying (from a long article on Parcells with some comments on the Redskins):

or worse yet:

" The Redskins’ offense suddenly looks less like the handiwork of their head coach, Joe Gibbs — whom Parcells has faced 20 times over the years — than of Al Saunders, the associate head coach for offense the Redskins poached from the Kansas City Chiefs in the off-season. Parcells moves on to examine the 2005 Chiefs. “If you can just understand what they’re about, a lot of other things follow,” he says. “It’s like finding a common denominator in mathematics.” What the Chiefs have long been about — and what the Redskins are newly about — is exploiting the width of the field. Their running game tends to avoid the inside, or the middle of the field; it’s built instead on sweeps and reverses. Their passing game has a lot of quick screens to the outside. And before every snap there’s a lot of running around. “One of the worst things you can do on defense is be a reactive defense,” Parcells says. “You can’t worry about what they’re doing. All that shifting, all that movement before the snap, is designed to get you worried about what they’re doing. They don’t want you to get a good fix. They don’t want you to stare down for 10 seconds. They want to create indecision.”

looks like the indecision is on us.

[HTTR]

Your really trying to tell me a Billionaire who took over the Redskins and made them the Highest grossing sports franchise in the United States is not Savvy enough, come on.

We're not fans of the business, we're fans of the team. And the team is in deep trouble. Every problem the Redskins have had since the change in ownership has been "solved" by buying something (including coaches). Snyder may be good at transactions (getting Gibbs is still potentially his high point), but he's not good at developing a football team.

It worries me that he can go to bed at night feeling not so good about the team but feeling great about the business he's running.

[chris36]

Hey, That Guy, I don't know who will start at DE. But, I can tell you unless Wynn will play for about what they will give up, by cutting him, he's gone. He is not worth 4 million a year. Maybe Demetric Evans and Carter will start, or maybe Joe Skykes, or maybe our first round pick, or maybe a walk on free agent. I also said that Daniels was not a shoe in.

Who ever is making our draft choices and walk on free agents, has done a good job. Just look at Bailey, Smoot, Peirce, and Clark

What I ment about Pierce and Clark, was that they we both walk on free agents, that our scouts invited to camp.

[shallyshal]

GONE.....
offense
brunell, betts (they won't pay him starter's salary, someone will), duckett (unless they get him signed in the next few games), patten, thrash, dockery (the same template will be followed.. they want him, he is a core redskin..ooops, someone pays him too much for us to match and ..bye-bye),
fauria, yoder (has he done anything ??), collins (only if campbell gets enough games to get a read on his long term abilities... and see my later comment on coaches).... jansen ???? he really needs to prove he is not too old for the position...

special teams
hall, frost (a couple of shanks too many over the remainder of the season)

defense
wynn, daniels, salavea, holdman, wright, rumph, vincent (really shows his age later this year), springs (salary is insane and unless he redoes his deal, say goodbye)

coaches
saunders (by mutual decision), gray, blache (if ron rivera gets a head coaching slot, blache will move to the bears as def coord)
williams ??? might happen if fisher has had enough and leaves tennessee. williams makes more sense under those circumstances. if he goes, then blache gets elevated to def coordinator if he wants the position

offseason needs
corners of all types (clements, draft pick, reserve types)
safety..(if PP does not come back whole)
def end ( 1st round pick? trade down 1st rounder for extra first day picks.. plus at least 1 free agent)
reserve LB through draft or free agency
starting guard (steinbach ? manawai??)..tackle if jansen is through and wade cannot man the position
back up qb if collins goes when saunders goes.. real question is whether gibbs messes with campbell's head the same way he messed with ramsey.. if so plummer, simms, leftwich could get a serious look.. gibbs always likes to have maturity on the bench. plus, a true #3 to develop via the draft or college free agency..
punter
reserve runner if duckett and betts both leave

get the impression there will be wholesale changes ? bet on it if this team finishes under .500 and misses the playoffs.. there is no reason to stand pat with a team that is ageing along both lines and watched the defense flounder all year...if that happens, expect a tumultuous off season...

[SmootSmack]

Shallyshal the problem with your predictions is that Blache is already the defensive coordinator here. So he won't be going anywhere else just to be a d-coordinator

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Shallyshal the problem with your predictions is that Blache is already the defensive coordinator here. So he won't be going anywhere else just to be a d-coordinator

nothing that snyder cannot fix with more money and a fancier title, if he stays..

and there is no reason why blache could not go to chicago as a true def coordinator and leader of the defense. as long as GW is here, he will always be under someone. if he were to go elsewhere, he might have the same title as def coordinator but he would not be under someone like GW..

one way or the other, i expect further significant changes in both the roster and coaches after this season..

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by shallyshal

nothing that snyder cannot fix with more money and a fancier title, if he stays..

and there is no reason why blache could not go to chicago as a true def coordinator and leader of the defense. as long as GW is here, he will always be under someone. if he were to go elsewhere, he might have the same title as def coordinator but he would not be under someone like GW..

one way or the other, i expect further significant changes in both the roster and coaches after this season..

Yeah I guess maybe you missed my point. By the rules of the league he can't go somewhere else (assuming he's under contract which I believe he is) as "Defensive Coordinator" it has to be something more.

If anything, he'll go somewhere to be a head coach. And frankly, I think he deserves the chance. Also, why would he go back to Chicago to be defensive coordinator when he left there after 5 years of being the defensive coordinator?

[marius]

Originally Posted by shallyshal

GONE.....
get the impression there will be wholesale changes ? bet on it if this team finishes under .500 and misses the playoffs.. there is no reason to stand pat with a team that is ageing along both lines and watched the defense flounder all year...if that happens, expect a tumultuous off season...

Tumultuous? So much the same as any other skins offseason then?

Perhaps now that Freeney can't buy a sack we'll throw the GDP of a small country at him for a 10 year contract!!!

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by shallyshal

GONE.....
offense
brunell, betts (they won't pay him starter's salary, someone will), duckett (unless they get him signed in the next few games), patten, thrash, dockery (the same template will be followed.. they want him, he is a core redskin..ooops, someone pays him too much for us to match and ..bye-bye),
fauria, yoder (has he done anything ??), collins (only if campbell gets enough games to get a read on his long term abilities... and see my later comment on coaches).... jansen ???? he really needs to prove he is not too old for the position...

special teams
hall, frost (a couple of shanks too many over the remainder of the season)

defense
wynn, daniels, salavea, holdman, wright, rumph, vincent (really shows his age later this year), springs (salary is insane and unless he redoes his deal, say goodbye)

coaches
saunders (by mutual decision), gray, blache (if ron rivera gets a head coaching slot, blache will move to the bears as def coord)
williams ??? might happen if fisher has had enough and leaves tennessee. williams makes more sense under those circumstances. if he goes, then blache gets elevated to def coordinator if he wants the position

offseason needs
corners of all types (clements, draft pick, reserve types)
safety..(if PP does not come back whole)
def end ( 1st round pick? trade down 1st rounder for extra first day picks.. plus at least 1 free agent)
reserve LB through draft or free agency
starting guard (steinbach ? manawai??)..tackle if jansen is through and wade cannot man the position
back up qb if collins goes when saunders goes.. real question is whether gibbs messes with campbell's head the same way he messed with ramsey.. if so plummer, simms, leftwich could get a serious look.. gibbs always likes to have maturity on the bench. plus, a true #3 to develop via the draft or college free agency..
punter
reserve runner if duckett and betts both leave

get the impression there will be wholesale changes ? bet on it if this team finishes under .500 and misses the playoffs.. there is no reason to stand pat with a team that is ageing along both lines and watched the defense flounder all year...if that happens, expect a tumultuous off season...

boy, i'm glad you're not in charge. jansen? are you kidding? who's his replacement that'd cost less and perform better? you do know that stability helps a team and these sprees and massive cuts are part of the problem, right? vincent is making minimum. what other 53 players are going to be on the roster that are more talented and warrant his release? springs salary is insane? are you nuts? he's underpaid due to a history of injuries, even though that's just bitten us. #1 corners ain't cheap, and clements is going to want something close to $7.5mill a year.

and we've had so much luck finding one DE that will let the best 2 we've had in the last few years go with no plan or replacement in sight? btw, we won't have the money to go get clements, a DE, and steinbach, etc etc to replace those cuts.

sorry, but THAT plan needs a lot more work with reality.

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by That Guy

boy, i'm glad you're not in charge. jansen? are you kidding? who's his replacement that'd cost less and perform better? you do know that stability helps a team and these sprees and massive cuts are part of the problem, right? vincent is making minimum. what other 53 players are going to be on the roster that are more talented and warrant his release? springs salary is insane? are you nuts? he's underpaid due to a history of injuries, even though that's just bitten us. #1 corners ain't cheap, and clements is going to want something close to $7.5mill a year.

and we've had so much luck finding one DE that will let the best 2 we've had in the last few years go with no plan or replacement in sight? btw, we won't have the money to go get clements, a DE, and steinbach, etc etc to replace those cuts.

sorry, but THAT plan needs a lot more work with reality.

it comes down to how this team plays for the remainder of this year..

as i said, if they finish 5-11 or in that range, there is no reason to maintain "stability" by keeping players who are pulling down large increases in salaries and yet whose production is falling off.
both wynn and daniels are old by league standards. and we are getting neither pass rush, nor consistent run stoppage by the d line. that is not to be rewarded. we need younger, more athletic performers at defensive end because without a consistent pass rush from the def end position, GW's defense will continue to flounder.

i said that dockery should be resigned. i do not think he will be because he will ask for the moon if he is allowed to go into the offseason as a free agent. what gives you confidence the front office will resign him ? if not, because we have allowed a number of potential younger players to slip away (ndukwe, harvey, pino) we will not have a ready replacement on the roster. that means someone who is a free agent

as for springs. he has always been a brittle player. that was the knock on him in seattle. if he cannot regain his health is he worth 7 mil per year next year? if clements and he cost the same, and clements is younger and healthier, who is the better corner to have? we will need at least 1 free agent corner if we follow the same path we have travelled the last couple of years. at least a #3. harris, then wright, then ???

i hope vincent plays well and is worth keeping next year. but even vet minimum is steep with the number of years of service he has accrued.
too bad we didn't keep the younger, cheaper clark.. but that was hindsight

and now onto my favorite player.. jansen.. have you even looked at his play this year ? he is not the same player he was before his series of injuries 2 years ago. part of the reason brunell rolls to his left constantly is because jansen's play has fallen off so dramatically. i believe that parcell's focus on beating jansen was well reported. let's see what he does tomorrow after he has in effect, been called out. in fact, we have a huge amount of dollars invested inthe o line overall. is there any group on the team that is giving less bang for the buck now?... continuity? sure it is good. but both the saints and cowboys have retooled their o line on the fly this year and are getting far better production than we are for less bucks..

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by shallyshal

it comes down to how this team plays for the remainder of this year..

as i said, if they finish 5-11 or in that range, there is no reason to maintain "stability" by keeping players who are pulling down large increases in salaries and yet whose production is falling off.
both wynn and daniels are old by league standards. and we are getting neither pass rush, nor consistent run stoppage by the d line. that is not to be rewarded. we need younger, more athletic performers at defensive end because without a consistent pass rush from the def end position, GW's defense will continue to flounder.

true. good points.

i said that dockery should be resigned. i do not think he will be because he will ask for the moon if he is allowed to go into the offseason as a free agent. what gives you confidence the front office will resign him ? if not, because we have allowed a number of potential younger players to slip away (ndukwe, harvey, pino) we will not have a ready replacement on the roster. that means someone who is a free agent

well, i honestly don't think he's done anything to earn a big paycheck. he's average at best at one of the very cheapest positions in football. A 3rd round pick last year could have gotten a day 1 starter for september (charles spencer or max-jean gilles), but we opted to trade ours to move up for an LB that can't beat out holdman (of all people) and next year's 3rd for a RB we haven't played (and most likely won't be able to sign, not that i think we should try). I think he'll probably be kept. I wouldn't worry about ndukwe pino et al though, none of those guys are starters and all are readily replaceable with generic roster trash.

as for springs. he has always been a brittle player. that was the knock on him in seattle. if he cannot regain his health is he worth 7 mil per year next year? if clements and he cost the same, and clements is younger and healthier, who is the better corner to have? we will need at least 1 free agent corner if we follow the same path we have travelled the last couple of years. at least a #3. harris, then wright, then ???

again, that's true, and clements is a real #1, but it'd be cheaper to keep springs than it'd be to cut him next year (by about 100k), so it's not like you'd be able to choose to pay one over the other for 2007. harris was better than wright, but wright, prioleau, and vincent may all be back for 2007, so that may work itself out. I do agree that clements would be a good investment, it's just projecting the future impact with all the craptacularly overpaid dead weight is hard, but i haven't really taken time to look into it (in depth) yet.

i hope vincent plays well and is worth keeping next year. but even vet minimum is steep with the number of years of service he has accrued.
too bad we didn't keep the younger, cheaper clark.. but that was hindsight

if he signs a 1year deal, vet min is capped at 425k, if it's multi-year, than it'd be capped at 810k. price/performance-wise, 810k would still be pretty hard to knock. on clark, plenty of people here saw that with foresight, and EVERYONE has seen it in hindsight . it is a shame though, cause arch is stuck here for 3 years minimum.

and now onto my favorite player.. jansen.. have you even looked at his play this year ? he is not the same player he was before his series of injuries 2 years ago. part of the reason brunell rolls to his left constantly is because jansen's play has fallen off so dramatically. i believe that parcell's focus on beating jansen was well reported. let's see what he does tomorrow after he has in effect, been called out. in fact, we have a huge amount of dollars invested inthe o line overall. is there any group on the team that is giving less bang for the buck now?... continuity? sure it is good. but both the saints and cowboys have retooled their o line on the fly this year and are getting far better production than we are for less bucks..

well, that's the FO's fault for overpaying (they had plenty of time to get samuels much cheaper, but they waited and waited, and then seattle made their guy the highest paid LT EVER, and that screwed the works :/). with only one #1 pick, some 2nd day selections, and limited cap flexibility, i don't think we're going to be able to fix all the holes, and cb + pass rush are much bigger issues. jansen is still better than his backup (who's actually pretty good for a backup OT and has lots of starting experience - for the texans :/).

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by chris36

Hey, That Guy, I don't know who will start at DE. But, I can tell you unless Wynn will play for about what they will give up, by cutting him, he's gone. He is not worth 4 million a year. Maybe Demetric Evans and Carter will start, or maybe Joe Skykes, or maybe our first round pick, or maybe a walk on free agent. I also said that Daniels was not a shoe in.




What I ment about Pierce and Clark, was that they we both walk on free agents, that our scouts invited to camp.

why the hell would you dump someone just to dump them without a viable replacement? joe sykes? he's not even NFL backup quality right now, so why would anyone think he could start?

everyone seemed to think wynn would be gone this year cause of his cap number, but i figured he'd be a shoe-in for the roster (after passing first cut), because he can play. his salary is twice what it should be, but unless there's a very specific reason to dump him, he'll probably be back. You don't just downgrade your roster without a reason, and i don't believe we'd be over cap with other cuts that should be made.