Give Props to Brunell

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's ridiculous to think benching Brunell would improve the team. If you have the coaches tape, this would most likely be apparent. But we don't so all we have is live game coverage when our emotions are at the strongest and our judgement is most clouded. Not saying our eyes decieve us, but you shouldn't make assumptions about what he is/isn't doing. Some things will be obvious, most won't. But stats are stats. For everyone. It's the only thing we have that's consistent with what the coaches have.

Are you saying that your assumptions are better than our assumtions?

Niiiiice.

Here's a hypothetical for you. A team with a struggling but proven Vet decides to bench said Vet. They go on to win their first game with their well versed but essentially 'new' QB. The next game they play away and come close to another victory. Was that a good decision? Should they go back to Bledsoe...bugger, I meant the hypothetical QB.

If anyone (other than the coaching staff, and please try to remember coaches can get it wrong) can truthfully say that Brunell is the only option for winning that we have I'd like to see their evidence. I don't want stats, you can make stats say anything and it doesn't show the intangibles like what a charge having a cannon-arm in at QB would bring.

We need to start Campbell. That's a fact.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Are you saying that your assumptions are better than our assumtions?

No. Thanks for asking though!

Niiiiice.

Really, you thought so? You don't say...

Here's a hypothetical for you. A team with a struggling but proven Vet decides to bench said Vet. They go on to win their first game with their well versed but essentially 'new' QB. The next game they play away and come close to another victory. Was that a good decision? Should they go back to Bledsoe...bugger, I meant the hypothetical QB.

Did Dallas make the right decision for them? Absolutely. Romo is growing into that QB roll. Don't even try comparing Bledsoe's season to Brunell's. It's not even remotely close.

If anyone (other than the coaching staff, and please try to remember coaches can get it wrong) can truthfully say that Brunell is the only option for winning that we have I'd like to see their evidence. I don't want stats, you can make stats say anything and it doesn't show the intangibles like what a charge having a cannon-arm in at QB would bring.

If you could, in fact, make stats say anything, that means you can make a statistical arguement that Brunell is a crappy QB...right? Hell, go for it. I'd be interested to see what you come up with.

Intangibles are very important for a QB (way, way more than 'cannon-arm'..ill get to that later), and while you would be correct in saying that statistics cannot isolate intangibles from talent, you'd be a fool to think a guy's intangibles don't play a huge part in his overall statistical production. If that wasn't true, how could a guy like Chad Pennington, who has a weak arm and no leg speed and a serious rotator cuff injury, put up good numbers year in and year out? Statistics look at the player as a whole, not a bunch of parts. Since you can't put Pennington's head on Favre's body anyway, it doesn't do any good to break a player's game down to the level of "cannon-arm". If you have a cannon-arm and are good, the stats will show it. If you have a cannon-arm and suck, then you are Rob Johnson.

Speaking of cannon-arm, wtf makes that an intangible. Intangibles are usually mental things if I'm not mistaken. I would describe cannon-arm as more of a tool. And if tools were the most important thing in a QB, every team would put their best athlete at that position.

We need to start Campbell. That's a fact.

No. That's an opinion. I learned that one in 4th grade (I was 10).

We aren't retarding his growth by not starting him, but for all intents and purposes, we would be conceeding the season.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If you could, in fact, make stats say anything, that means you can make a statistical arguement that Brunell is a crappy QB...right? Hell, go for it. I'd be interested to see what you come up with.

3-5. There, that was easy.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

3-5. There, that was easy.

That's a TEAM STAT! Brunell is no more responsible for that stat than Warrick Holdman...in fact, probably less.

Hopefully that can be the final word...

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Intangibles are very important for a QB (way, way more than 'cannon-arm' <SNIP>

OK, you missed the point ( I learned Not missing the point in Kindergarten) of what I was saying was an intangible.

Quote: ....and it doesn't show the intangibles like what a charge having a cannon-arm in at QB would bring


Bringing in a QB that would give the team a charge. That's the intangible. Remember how Fed Ex felt when we started Ramsey? The place came alive, the team look re-energized. THAT'S the 'intangible' I'm talking about. Can't measure it (yet) but you can see the effect.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

OK, you missed the point ( I learned Not missing the point in Kindergarten) of what I was saying was an intangible.

Bringing in a QB that would give the team a charge. That's the intangible. Remember how Fed Ex felt when we started Ramsey? The place came alive, the team look re-energized. THAT'S the 'intangible' I'm talking about. Can't measure it (yet) but you can see the effect.

I remember it. Here's the difference. In 2004, the offense was horrible. It was energized...not the defense that was already playing well.

Do you remember how quickly that energy wore off, and how we really didn't get much better at all?

So you'd be willing to throw away a season if it meant for one quarter the guys could get excited and start jumping around? And as soon as McNabb throws a TD...it's gone again. Sure, all small chances of a playoff comeback are gone...but it least we had some fun BEFORE the game!

[RobH4413]

At first glance, you'd think we just gave Brunell 20 pages of props....


so sad....


But seriously... why don't we all just agree to disagree?

A debate lasting mabye 4-5 pages.... makes sense... but 20!?!?... I'll admit I got sucked in back on page 16-17 area... but man.. this is nuts...

[SmootSmack]

F it. It's my birthday and I'm hijacking this bad boy (*note: thewarpath.net front office does not condone the hijacking behavior exhibited in this thread, but will let it slide....this time)

Favorite Sesame Street character. Go.

(I'm all about Oscar the Grouch, 2nd place-Cookie Monster, 3rd-Kermit the news reporter)

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

F it. It's my birthday and I'm hijacking this bad boy (*note: thewarpath.net front office does not condone the hijacking behavior exhibited in this thread, but will let it slide....this time)

Favorite Sesame Street character. Go.

(I'm all about Oscar the Grouch, 2nd place-Cookie Monster, 3rd-Kermit the news reporter)

Good golly!! Thank you TAFKAS!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Good golly!! Thank you TAFKAS!

You're welcome. So who's your favorite?

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

You're welcome. So who's your favorite?

Burt.. I like his big nose.