Take 70Chip's Mark Brunell Rorshock Test

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Let me put it this way. Brunell can (even though I prefer Campbell) get it done WITH a defense like we had in 2004 or 2005. With THIS YEAR, we have to have an offense capable of FAR outscoring the other team since our defense can't stop anyone right now.

With THIS team, Brunell is not capable of getting it done.

We scored 3 points yesterday. Our offense has scored 3 points in every division road game this year.

The 85 bears combined with the 2001 Ravens wouldn't be able to win under those circumstances.

[70chip13083]

I'm definately a #2. Any chance for a playoff birth is basically over. If we consider Campbell the future of the team, isn't it time we see what he can do? Isn't this the ONLY reasonable thing to do at this point? I think any other decision is ridiculous. However, I was listening to triple x radio this morning. Apparently the prevailing thought is that if a switch takes place, it will be Collins and not Campbell. What a nightmare.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by 70chip13083

I'm definately a #2. Any chance for a playoff birth is basically over. If we consider Campbell the future of the team, isn't it time we see what he can do? Isn't this the ONLY reasonable thing to do at this point? I think any other decision is ridiculous. However, I was listening to triple x radio this morning. Apparently the prevailing thought is that if a switch takes place, it will be Collins and not Campbell. What a nightmare.

That gives Saunders a chance to save face.

[freddyg12]

I'm in the #2 camp. It's time for a change, for all the reasons that everyone else has already given.

[NYCSkin]

I previously thought that the best thing to do with Campbell was to wait until the Skins had 7 losses and then start him. They would be completely out of playoff contention so why not at that point.

However, after watching Brunell yesterday, it's an insult (or indict to Campbell not to start him know. How can Campbell not give us a better chance to win than Brunell?

The facts on Brunell are plain and simple--he is not that mobile anymore and he is limited in the type of throws he can make. He limits his mistakes mostly by taking high percentage dumpoffs (either due to lack of his own confidence, in ability or scheme, or lack of confidence by his OC). Finally, he plays to avoid contact. This is the most troubling because even older QBs like Favre, Johnson, and Bledsoe stand in the pocket and deliver the ball while getting drilled.

If Campbell cannot at least do what Brunell offers--then we should all be very worried about Campbell. What Gibbs is then saying is they made a mistake in trading up to draft him. If Campbell is not ready now, with the current QB play, then I can only conclude that he is a bust (if I trust the coaches).

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

i'll log in a solid #2 for a few weeks now. incidentally, what does this have to do with a rorschach test? i thought it was a visual test where you're supposed to see what you want to see. . . oh, i get it.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.

i'll log in a solid #2 for a few weeks now. incidentally, what does this have to do with a rorschach test? i thought it was a visual test where you're supposed to see what you want to see. . . oh, i get it.

I like that....

[70chip13083]

We certainly do not owe Brunell anything. Once you cannot competently perform your job, you lose your job. Business is business. I do agree that a change will probably not be made until we've hit 7 loses. If there is a change before this, it will be Collins rather than Campell, as the coaches will want to see if we have a better chance with an Al Saunders guy running the Saunders system. I'd hate to see this happen though

[BDBohnzie]

I'm a #2. Before the Eagles game, I was still a #3, but now I'm definitely teetering on the #2 fence.

However, what we all think is completely different from the reality that is Brunell will most likely start against Bucs, and even the Panthers before the Skins are mathematically out of it. We can all scream for Campbell until we pass out from exhaustion, but Gibbs and Saunders have a game plan, and will execute it until a playoff bid is completely lost. Campbell is going to get some playing time this year, but the question is when.

Oh, and I cracked up about the Andrew Walter comparison, here are the stats:

Brunell (#10)
162-260 (62.3%), 1789 yds, 8 TDs, 4 INTs, 3-6 record, Offense has scored 165 points, 48 of 165 from TD passes

Walter (#34, last among Qualified Leaders)
104-216 (48.1%), 1305 yds, 3 TDs, 9 INTs, 2-7 record, Offense has scored 105 points, 18 of 105 from TD passes

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

I'm a #2. Before the Eagles game, I was still a #3, but now I'm definitely teetering on the #2 fence.

However, what we all think is completely different from the reality that is Brunell will most likely start against Bucs, and even the Panthers before the Skins are mathematically out of it. We can all scream for Campbell until we pass out from exhaustion, but Gibbs and Saunders have a game plan, and will execute it until a playoff bid is completely lost. Campbell is going to get some playing time this year, but the question is when.

Oh, and I cracked up about the Andrew Walter comparison, here are the stats:

Brunell (#10)
162-260 (62.3%), 1789 yds, 8 TDs, 4 INTs, 3-6 record, Offense has scored 165 points, 48 of 165 from TD passes

Walter (#34, last among Qualified Leaders)
104-216 (48.1%), 1305 yds, 3 TDs, 9 INTs, 2-7 record, Offense has scored 105 points, 18 of 105 from TD passes

Yeah but he's 10 times better than Brunell. Ok maybe not 10 times, just 2 times.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah but he's 10 times better than Brunell. Ok maybe not 10 times, just 2 times.

Yeah, cause all of those garbage stats that Brunell accumulated tell the real story.

Use your eyes for once.

Smarten' up.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Yeah, cause all of those garbage stats that Brunell accumulated tell the real story.

Use your eyes for once.

Smarten' up.

Great way to explain your "logic".

Smarten up? LOL please dude, I'm literally laughing at you right now. Laughing.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Great way to explain your "logic".

Smarten up? LOL please dude, I'm literally laughing at you right now. Laughing.

What you think means nothing to me. You exposed yourself today.

Paraphrase "Shows that we will fight"...

Are we all in this together Matty? Was Lavar scheduled to go in certain packages? (Insert Archuletta if you feel like it).

If I want to hear the Gibbs press conference, I will listen to a blog over and over.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Yeah, cause all of those garbage stats that Brunell accumulated tell the real story.

Use your eyes for once.

Smarten' up.

Andrew 'freakin Walter hasn't played in garbage time? Smarten up boy.

One could argue that the Raiders' season to this point has been garbage time. I wouldn't say that, but this is a team that forgot to show up in WEEK FREAKIN ONE!

[That Guy]

great thread 70chip, and well thought out. #2 since tennesse. it was obvious then that no matter how well brunell may have played, we wouldn't get anywhere in the postseason with this defense, and we need to see what we have before draft day comes around.