Dazed And Confused!

[redskinsfanatic]

you know has pissed and frustrated as we all are,multiply that by about 100,and think about how everybody in the redskins organization feels about this!those coaches hate losing 100 times worse than we do.they may have money,but losing is'nt fun for anybody,i do'nt care if you are 25 or 300 years old,losing has and will always SUCK!!!

[3rd ID SOLDIER]

sounded good to me !

[SmootSmack]

Not to take away from what Beathard has accomplished in his career-he was very instrumental to the success of the Redskins in the 1980s-but there were many many more lean years than good years during Beathard's tenure in San Diego. The Chargers going to the Super Bowl was as much a fluke as the Capitals going to the Stanley Cup back in 1998. And have we forgotten the great Beathard was the one who went hard after Ryan Leaf? Why don't we rake him over the coals for that?

And can someone please explain to Offiss the difference between "here" and "hear"??

And last but not least. Does anyone else get the impression that Offiss fantasizes about threeways with Beathard and Ramsey?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Not to take away from what Beathard has accomplished in his career-he was very instrumental to the success of the Redskins in the 1980s-but there were many many more lean years than good years during Beathard's tenure in San Diego. The Chargers going to the Super Bowl was as much a fluke as the Capitals going to the Stanley Cup back in 1998. And have we forgotten the great Beathard was the one who went hard after Ryan Leaf? Why don't we rake him over the coals for that?

And can someone please explain to Offiss the difference between "here" and "hear"??

And last but not least. Does anyone else get the impression that Offiss fantasizes about threeways with Beathard and Ramsey?

The Chargers going to the Super Bowl was as much a fluke as the Capitals going to the Stanley Cup back in 1998.

Kind of like our playoff run last year, 1 giant fluke!!!!!!!

And last but not least. Does anyone else get the impression that Offiss fantasizes about threeways with Beathard and Ramsey?

Remember you are the one who stated you really are looking forward to visiting greece in the fire Saunders and Williams thread.

There can be no more latent homosexuality than the undying defense for Gibbs and Brunell.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

There can be no more latent homosexuality than the undying defense for Gibbs and Brunell.

Unless you're talking about the undying defense for Beathard and Ramsey.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Unless you're talking about the undying defense for Beathard and Ramsey.

BRAVOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

Remember you are the one who stated you really are looking forward to visiting greece in the fire Saunders and Williams thread.

There can be no more latent homosexuality than the undying defense for Gibbs and Brunell.

Um....ok.

[Daseal]

Isn't it the coaches fault for dishing away solid players for new sexy players and having that fail, thus forcing remaining players to get used to someone elses playstyle, new faces, new everything. This team is a mess and squarly in the lap of Joe Gibbs. He's no longer immune to the criticism from fans. I like to give my coaches 3 years to get things straight. 2/3 losing seasons isn't so hot, pair that with one improbable run to the playoffs and some really exciting games.

I cant comment on the Beathard comments, I wasn't really aware of football at that point, but I think many of the comments Offiss makes here have merit. Can anyone really argue that Gibbs has done a good job with talent evaluations and draft picks?

[REDSKIN2]

I think that the thing to keep in mind is not that Gibb's can't coach anymore because I do think that he can still but there are some things to consider:

1. Players now are more high maintenance. They need to be continuously motivated then at times a coach needs to back off. It's a tough balancing act. Back in the 80s and 90s Gibbs had a generation of players that he could count on doing what needed to get done. Players today aren't like that anymore. Gibbs has not yet adjusted to that in my opinion.

2. Look at any successful coach the second time around, Jimmy Johnson, Mike Ditka, Mike Holmgren, George Siefert and Gibbs. All were in a sense whether formally in informally given full say on personnel. It doesn't work. A coach is always thinking now short term win. A GM is thinking long term who replaces this guy who fits the budget, etc. You need two men doing these jobs that can work together. and no that can't include Cerrato and Gibbs with Snyder.

3. The Skins as an organization are still stuck in the pre salary cap era of building a team. The cap era method of building a team involves keeping your picks, drafting wisely. You only use big time contracts on those players that are special talents, like a Ray Lewis, McNabb, Manning. Those that just don't grow on trees, once in 20 year type players. Any player that is average or above average or good you don't throw big contracts at. If a player is good but not special you make a sensible contract offer in terms of cap friendliness and if it's rejected you move on and have a drafted groomed player ready to kill and prove himself waiting in the wings.

We need to get back to basics, no more big contracts. We start accumulating picks drafting wisely. Cut all the cap friendly contracts in the offseason. We live with the one's that are not cap friendly. I don't want a 49ER situation where we are in cap hell forever.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Isn't it the coaches fault for dishing away solid players for new sexy players and having that fail, thus forcing remaining players to get used to someone elses playstyle, new faces, new everything. This team is a mess and squarly in the lap of Joe Gibbs. He's no longer immune to the criticism from fans. I like to give my coaches 3 years to get things straight. 2/3 losing seasons isn't so hot, pair that with one improbable run to the playoffs and some really exciting games.

I cant comment on the Beathard comments, I wasn't really aware of football at that point, but I think many of the comments Offiss makes here have merit. Can anyone really argue that Gibbs has done a good job with talent evaluations and draft picks?

Perhaps too much emphasis has been placed on pass acomplishments when it comes to Joe Gibbs. Much of our trust, and hope has been placed on what he did in the past. I am a firm believer in the fact that, that which is past and gone is irrevocable, wise men have more to do with time and things yet to come. Gibbs has continually said since his return, the past buys you nothing, he's going to be judged on what he does now, though his legacy will always remain. The game is played much different now than it was when Gibbs left in 92. I do not believe you can be away from the game as long as Gibbs was away, come back and instantly begin to make personell decisions because of his limited knowledge of league.

Bobby Bethard was known for his team building. It's what inspired Jack Cooke to bring him here from Miami after building that Dolphin team which holds the distinction of being the only team to go undefeated in a season. Bethard and Gibbs, like Gibbs and Casserly had their differences when it came to aquiring talent, but talent they always had.

[SmootSmack]

Ryan Leaf....Ryan Leaf....Ryan Leaf....

To give all the credit for the Redskins' success to Beathard and none to Gibbs is remarkably ignorant.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Ryan Leaf....Ryan Leaf....Ryan Leaf....

To give all the credit for the Redskins' success to Beathard and none to Gibbs is remarkably ignorant.

Hey to call out BB on one pick is really not fair, we all know he wanted Manning but had to settle for Leaf, that is an awfully tough judgement on him, did he get it wrong? Absolutly! But the NFL was almost split about which player Leaf or Manning would be better, nobody is perfect, but BB has been right far far greater than he's been wrong, can that be said about Gibbs as a personel man?

[redskinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

Hey to call out BB on one pick is really not fair, we all know he wanted Manning but had to settle for Leaf, that is an awfully tough judgement on him, did he get it wrong? Absolutly! But the NFL was almost split about which player Leaf or Manning would be better, nobody is perfect, but BB has been right far far greater than he's been wrong, can that be said about Gibbs as a personel man?

do you have a cardboard cutout of the man at your home in which you bow and pray to several times a day?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by redskinsfanatic

do you have a cardboard cutout of the man at your home in which you bow and pray to several times a day?

I am not in the custom to arguing with 8yr olds but I will give some advice, when trying to mock someone a little originality is alway's helpfull. Now put on your PJ's and go to bed.

[redskinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

I am not in the custom to arguing with 8yr olds but I will give some advice, when trying to mock someone a little originality is alway's helpfull. Now put on your PJ's and go to bed.

you know what they say about opinions do'nt ya joiseyboy?there really is a lot of toxic waste in your state is'nt it?is it a cardboard cutout,or blow up doll,or maybe even both???