Dazed And Confused!

[Daseal]

Isn't it the coaches fault for dishing away solid players for new sexy players and having that fail, thus forcing remaining players to get used to someone elses playstyle, new faces, new everything. This team is a mess and squarly in the lap of Joe Gibbs. He's no longer immune to the criticism from fans. I like to give my coaches 3 years to get things straight. 2/3 losing seasons isn't so hot, pair that with one improbable run to the playoffs and some really exciting games.

I cant comment on the Beathard comments, I wasn't really aware of football at that point, but I think many of the comments Offiss makes here have merit. Can anyone really argue that Gibbs has done a good job with talent evaluations and draft picks?

[REDSKIN2]

I think that the thing to keep in mind is not that Gibb's can't coach anymore because I do think that he can still but there are some things to consider:

1. Players now are more high maintenance. They need to be continuously motivated then at times a coach needs to back off. It's a tough balancing act. Back in the 80s and 90s Gibbs had a generation of players that he could count on doing what needed to get done. Players today aren't like that anymore. Gibbs has not yet adjusted to that in my opinion.

2. Look at any successful coach the second time around, Jimmy Johnson, Mike Ditka, Mike Holmgren, George Siefert and Gibbs. All were in a sense whether formally in informally given full say on personnel. It doesn't work. A coach is always thinking now short term win. A GM is thinking long term who replaces this guy who fits the budget, etc. You need two men doing these jobs that can work together. and no that can't include Cerrato and Gibbs with Snyder.

3. The Skins as an organization are still stuck in the pre salary cap era of building a team. The cap era method of building a team involves keeping your picks, drafting wisely. You only use big time contracts on those players that are special talents, like a Ray Lewis, McNabb, Manning. Those that just don't grow on trees, once in 20 year type players. Any player that is average or above average or good you don't throw big contracts at. If a player is good but not special you make a sensible contract offer in terms of cap friendliness and if it's rejected you move on and have a drafted groomed player ready to kill and prove himself waiting in the wings.

We need to get back to basics, no more big contracts. We start accumulating picks drafting wisely. Cut all the cap friendly contracts in the offseason. We live with the one's that are not cap friendly. I don't want a 49ER situation where we are in cap hell forever.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Isn't it the coaches fault for dishing away solid players for new sexy players and having that fail, thus forcing remaining players to get used to someone elses playstyle, new faces, new everything. This team is a mess and squarly in the lap of Joe Gibbs. He's no longer immune to the criticism from fans. I like to give my coaches 3 years to get things straight. 2/3 losing seasons isn't so hot, pair that with one improbable run to the playoffs and some really exciting games.

I cant comment on the Beathard comments, I wasn't really aware of football at that point, but I think many of the comments Offiss makes here have merit. Can anyone really argue that Gibbs has done a good job with talent evaluations and draft picks?

Perhaps too much emphasis has been placed on pass acomplishments when it comes to Joe Gibbs. Much of our trust, and hope has been placed on what he did in the past. I am a firm believer in the fact that, that which is past and gone is irrevocable, wise men have more to do with time and things yet to come. Gibbs has continually said since his return, the past buys you nothing, he's going to be judged on what he does now, though his legacy will always remain. The game is played much different now than it was when Gibbs left in 92. I do not believe you can be away from the game as long as Gibbs was away, come back and instantly begin to make personell decisions because of his limited knowledge of league.

Bobby Bethard was known for his team building. It's what inspired Jack Cooke to bring him here from Miami after building that Dolphin team which holds the distinction of being the only team to go undefeated in a season. Bethard and Gibbs, like Gibbs and Casserly had their differences when it came to aquiring talent, but talent they always had.