How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?

[illdefined]

Rivers will have almost an entire NFL season in his resume before Campbell gets his first SNAP. that situation has less to do with our current situation than Mark Rypien.

Rypien?? Rypien didn't play earlier because the leather helmets used back then chafed his enormous skull.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by illdefined

Rivers will have almost an entire NFL season in his resume before Campbell gets his first SNAP.

That's your opinion...but the fact is that Gibbs isn't the only coach who believes in giving the young guy the clipboard for a couple years, and it's proved to be just as effective. Moreover, the season isn't over yet, and we may in fact see Campbell either this weekend or possibly sometime before the season is over.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

That's your opinion...but the fact is that Gibbs isn't the only coach who believes in giving the young guy the clipboard for a couple years, and it's proved to be just as effective. Moreover, the season isn't over yet, and we may in fact see Campbell either this weekend or possibly sometime before the season is over.

i would like nothing more. whole point is that its overdue. a lot of those young QBs you mentioned stayed sat because the vets in front of them were producing, or were at least being competitive. the same can't be said about our situation.

[61cad]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i would like nothing more. whole point is that its overdue. a lot of those young QBs you mentioned stayed sat because the vets in front of them were producing, or were at least being competitive. the same can't be said about our situation.

Brunell produced last year.... Well kind of. OK, he won games.

But he's getting old and who is to say that last years was the best year the Skins will ever have out of him.

This offense is broken and needs to be fixed. To fix a car you put in new parts. At this point what the hell could it hurt?

Brunells feelings?

Who cares about that?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i would like nothing more. whole point is that its overdue. a lot of those young QBs you mentioned stayed sat because the vets in front of them were producing, or were at least being competitive. the same can't be said about our situation.

The same can't be said about our situation now, because we're obviously 3-6 and sinking deeper and deeper into the quicksand. But, a year ago, we did make the playoffs and appeared (for the most part) to be on the right track. In my opinion, the only changes that we should have made were the additions of BL and ARE....but that's beside the point. The point is, there were high expectations from everybody for this team to not only make the playoffs, but to make a serious run for the Super Bowl. Brunell should have had a better year just for the fact that he had more than Moss to throw to now. There was no reason prior to this season, and even after our slow start, to assume that keeping Brunell in was a bad idea. While I contend that there are more problems that are contributing to our downward spiral, switching the QB has not been the answer until now.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

The same can't be said about our situation now, because we're obviously 3-6 and sinking deeper and deeper into the quicksand. But, a year ago, we did make the playoffs and appeared (for the most part) to be on the right track. In my opinion, the only changes that we should have made were the additions of BL and ARE....but that's beside the point. The point is, there were high expectations from everybody for this team to not only make the playoffs, but to make a serious run for the Super Bowl. Brunell should have had a better year just for the fact that he had more than Moss to throw to now. There was no reason prior to this season, and even after our slow start, to assume that keeping Brunell in was a bad idea. While I contend that there are more problems that are contributing to our downward spiral, switching the QB has not been the answer until now.

ok now we're in complete agreement, almost. while i do see why we started with Brunell this season, he definitely earned it last year with his solid performance - i think it was more than apparent that our defense wasn't the same and Brunell couldn't even try and make up that difference alot earlier than week 10.

you do seem to recognize that it's actually called for by now, but do you really think it'll happen now?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by illdefined

ok now we're in complete agreement, almost. while i do see why we started with Brunell this season, he definitely earned it last year with his solid performance - i think it was more than apparent that our defense wasn't the same and Brunell couldn't even try and make up that difference alot earlier than week 10.

you do seem to recognize that it's actually called for by now, but do you really think it'll happen now?

I honestly think Gibbs will either wait until we've lost 8 games, or if we lose this week. Despite being mathematically "in it" I definitely feel it's time to put Campbell in there and see what he can do now! It's not going to fix the other problems that we need to address, but it gives him at least 7 games of playing experience against starting defenses.

[memphisskin]

If Collins starts instead of Campbell, I will take it to mean that Gibbs is trying to save the season. It would also mean that JC as "co-#2 qb" was a farce. I would be devastated, it would mean that we traded three potential starters (the three high picks we sent to Denver) for a backup qb that the coaching staff doesn't want to play.

So if Brunell gives us the best chance to win, does playing Campbell give us at least a better shot at not losing?