"with the first pick in the 2007 draft, the redskins select..."

DirtBagZ · 11-17-2006, 07:44 AM

How about we draft defensive linemen so that we actually have a pass rush? Drafting DBs is the wrong approach the problem with the Redskins is that we have not had stud defensive linemen since the 1st Gibbs era. The only time I remember when we had two good DEs is when Dexter Manley and Charles Mann played. We are long overdue to finally build a decent defensive line, and start working on the O-line. In my mind the if the 2007 draft is all d-linemen, O-linemen, and maybe a linebacker or DB for depth. But the lines need to get rebuilt.

vaoutlaws2006 · 11-17-2006, 07:47 AM

they need to use their pick to draft the best dl or de available. AC was not the answer.

hooskins · 11-17-2006, 10:17 AM

Look I am not saying Rogers is a god by any means. He needs to work on catching, making reads for picks, and giving a bit less cushion(that was mainly in last game though). But beside that he can cover much better than most people are saying.

I personally think he has improved alot since last year. But I guess that is just me, everyone here wants a scapegoat.

The Zimmermans · 11-17-2006, 09:34 AM

rogers sucks right now, really badly, he's getting torched by second and third receivers, every team goes right at him knowing he doesnt have the speed, or aticipation to cover. We need CB depth, so clements would not be a bad idea, and with D-line, that is all we should draft, ALLL DLINE, ALLL DLINE.

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-17-2006, 09:37 AM

No, he hasn't. Outside of Troy Williamson the first game of the season, who has been "torching" him? UGH, THIS is why I'm taking crazy pills.

The mob mentality sucks.

The Zimmermans · 11-17-2006, 09:39 AM

you must be on more than crazy pills

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-17-2006, 09:50 AM

No, no. I'm asking for an answer. Who has been torching him? Maybe you're thinking of Kenny Wright who was good for at LEAST a TD every game he played in.

The Zimmermans · 11-17-2006, 09:54 AM

Stallworth embaressed him just this weekend. He might not get burned deep as much cause he gives a 30 yard cushion, but he is still gets TORCHED. And tackling by a CB is not nearly as important as coverage. The safeties are the tacklers.

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-17-2006, 09:58 AM

Stollworth (I'm not even sure it was Rogers either) got behind him on one play. All the top CBs get burned, I'm talking who has CONSISTENTLY burned him in a game this year? Really, he's been running stride for stride with almost all WRs he's covered. He almost totally shut down TO, I don't know what people are asking of him.

hooskins · 11-17-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Stollworth (I'm not even sure it was Rogers either) got behind him on one play. All the top CBs get burned, I'm talking who has CONSISTENTLY burned him in a game this year? Really, he's been running stride for stride with almost all WRs he's covered. He almost totally shut down TO, I don't know what people are asking of him.

I agree with TMC here on this one. Rogers has significantly improved this year in COVERAGE. That doesnt mean he can catch any better, he still sucks ass at that. But he has been pretty much in stride with most recievers. The beginning of the year Wright got burned every play, bc Rogers was covering well.

Seriously, as I mentioned in the stupid Bailey/Portis trade thread, people are looking for blame, where there isn't any.

The problem with our D? No pressure from the front 7. If you can't get a good pass rush from those, ANY team in the NFL can score on you, period. Problem two, is the safeties, mainly AA, who can't cover worth shit. I still haven't given up on Taylor, even though he looked horrible last game.

I still feel if our pass rush improves(like it did towards the end of the dallas game) our entire D improves by alot.

The Zimmermans · 11-17-2006, 10:06 AM

maybe they are asking for him to break up one pass this season, or make a good read on one ball? show some sort of feel for the position. I have very little confidence in him, I'd rather have wright in coverage, tacking is another issue.

hooskins · 11-17-2006, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

maybe they are asking for him to break up one pass this season, or make a good read on one ball? show some sort of feel for the position. I have very little confidence in him, I'd rather have wright in coverage, tacking is another issue.

WHO ELSE WAS ROGERS BURNED BY? lol answer that.

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-17-2006, 10:09 AM

People want to bash him, but still really give no proof on why he is playing bad. The only bad game he really had was against Minnesota. Against EVERYONE else, he pretty much shut down the team's #1 receiver.

dmek25 · 11-18-2006, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

People want to bash him, but still really give no proof on why he is playing bad. The only bad game he really had was against Minnesota. Against EVERYONE else, he pretty much shut down the team's #1 receiver.

let me start by saying i usually agree with you. now, i was at the philly game, and rogers was HORRIBLE. he played 10 yards off any reciever he was covering. any time the eagles were in third and short, mcnabb looked to whatever side rogers was on, and threw a short pass that way for a first down. and on the long one to stallworth, that was one mr taylor that got burnt, it looked like he was guessing what route was going to be run. as far as who we draft, its like what came first, the good corner, or the good pass rush? i believe a good pass rush makes an average corner 10 times better. hell, there were games last year in which jimoh actually looked alright. alittle pass rush goes a long way

The Zimmermans · 11-17-2006, 10:16 AM

Yeah, I'm not too into rogers, but a pass rush would definitely help him out a lot, there is a lot of pressure on him in coverage, which magnifies his weaknesses. Even champ bailey got burned against dallas several times for game changing plays back in the day, when our pass rush was miserable.

11-17-2006, 07:47 AM	#2
vaoutlaws2006 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Fayettenam, NC Age: 54 Posts: 806	Re: "with the first pick in the 2007 draft, the redskins select..." they need to use their pick to draft the best dl or de available. AC was not the answer. __________________ The future is obviously right now!

11-17-2006, 10:17 AM	#3
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 39 Posts: 8,606	Re: "with the first pick in the 2007 draft, the redskins select..." Look I am not saying Rogers is a god by any means. He needs to work on catching, making reads for picks, and giving a bit less cushion(that was mainly in last game though). But beside that he can cover much better than most people are saying. I personally think he has improved alot since last year. But I guess that is just me, everyone here wants a scapegoat. __________________ Vacancy

11-17-2006, 09:34 AM	#4
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 42 Posts: 937	Re: "with the first pick in the 2007 draft, the redskins select..." rogers sucks right now, really badly, he's getting torched by second and third receivers, every team goes right at him knowing he doesnt have the speed, or aticipation to cover. We need CB depth, so clements would not be a bad idea, and with D-line, that is all we should draft, ALLL DLINE, ALLL DLINE. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-17-2006, 09:37 AM	#5
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: "with the first pick in the 2007 draft, the redskins select..." No, he hasn't. Outside of Troy Williamson the first game of the season, who has been "torching" him? UGH, THIS is why I'm taking crazy pills. The mob mentality sucks. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-17-2006, 09:39 AM	#6
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 42 Posts: 937	Re: "with the first pick in the 2007 draft, the redskins select..." you must be on more than crazy pills __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-17-2006, 07:44 AM	#1
DirtBagZ Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 481	Re: "with the first pick in the 2007 draft, the redskins select..." How about we draft defensive linemen so that we actually have a pass rush? Drafting DBs is the wrong approach the problem with the Redskins is that we have not had stud defensive linemen since the 1st Gibbs era. The only time I remember when we had two good DEs is when Dexter Manley and Charles Mann played. We are long overdue to finally build a decent defensive line, and start working on the O-line. In my mind the if the 2007 draft is all d-linemen, O-linemen, and maybe a linebacker or DB for depth. But the lines need to get rebuilt.

11-17-2006, 09:50 AM	#7
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: "with the first pick in the 2007 draft, the redskins select..." No, no. I'm asking for an answer. Who has been torching him? Maybe you're thinking of Kenny Wright who was good for at LEAST a TD every game he played in. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-17-2006, 09:54 AM	#8
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 42 Posts: 937	Re: "with the first pick in the 2007 draft, the redskins select..." Stallworth embaressed him just this weekend. He might not get burned deep as much cause he gives a 30 yard cushion, but he is still gets TORCHED. And tackling by a CB is not nearly as important as coverage. The safeties are the tacklers. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-17-2006, 09:58 AM	#9
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: "with the first pick in the 2007 draft, the redskins select..." Stollworth (I'm not even sure it was Rogers either) got behind him on one play. All the top CBs get burned, I'm talking who has CONSISTENTLY burned him in a game this year? Really, he's been running stride for stride with almost all WRs he's covered. He almost totally shut down TO, I don't know what people are asking of him. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-17-2006, 10:06 AM	#11
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 42 Posts: 937	Re: "with the first pick in the 2007 draft, the redskins select..." maybe they are asking for him to break up one pass this season, or make a good read on one ball? show some sort of feel for the position. I have very little confidence in him, I'd rather have wright in coverage, tacking is another issue. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-17-2006, 10:09 AM	#13
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: "with the first pick in the 2007 draft, the redskins select..." People want to bash him, but still really give no proof on why he is playing bad. The only bad game he really had was against Minnesota. Against EVERYONE else, he pretty much shut down the team's #1 receiver. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-17-2006, 10:16 AM	#15
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 42 Posts: 937	Re: "with the first pick in the 2007 draft, the redskins select..." Yeah, I'm not too into rogers, but a pass rush would definitely help him out a lot, there is a lot of pressure on him in coverage, which magnifies his weaknesses. Even champ bailey got burned against dallas several times for game changing plays back in the day, when our pass rush was miserable. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

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