Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

If we're comparing Brunell to the elite players in the league, the most telling stats are yards per pass and TDs. Brunell was twenty-sixth in TDs, even though his accuracy rating was extremely high. His yards per pass were also around the middle of the pack as well.

You look at the most INTs thrown by any team and you'll see the other bottom feeders like us. And we've only thrown 4!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If we're comparing Brunell to the elite players in the league, the most telling stats are yards per pass and TDs. Brunell was twenty-sixth in TDs, even though his accuracy rating was extremely high. His yards per pass were also around the middle of the pack as well.

and remember the yards per pass have a little something to do with having two of the best kick returners in the league as receivers collecting YAC, and another kick returner, Betts, racking up huge garbage yards before the first down markers and late in the game against prevent defenses. if you need proof just see how many Betts passes have been TDs.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I mean we're ranked twenty-second in passing offense. High rating, low yardage, low TDs speaks mainly to the dink and dunk mentality. Playing things a little too safe.

[illdefined]

don't bother arguing with Tripp about the validity of stats, they're only the last word on a QB's worth as long as they don't have to "play in the rain", "have a shitty game", "play away", "play a division rival" or have "bad luck" - the reasons he gave for the poor Philly performance. as if getting back to pre-philly performance would win us any more games.

it's the defense stupid. it's the defense that made Portis, Moss, Cooley, Lloyd, Randle El and Sellers have bad seasons, and apparently Betts the next Marshall Faulk.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Ah, true. I did forget to add garbage time TDs when defenses were set up in prevent.

[SmootSmack]

I should change the thread title to "Does Campbell End the 'GTripp' Excuse"

[illdefined]

ouch, i picked right on the next 'whipping boy' after No.8, I said GTripp. what do i win?

[Redskins8588]

I agree that statistically speaking Brunell is having a good year. I mean he is 2:1 in the TD/INT ratio (8td's/4int's), thrown for 1789 yards and has a completion percentage of 62%. That is a pretty good year so far for any QB.

Where I think the problem lies is that Brunell has two (Moss and Lloyd), and some could argue three (ARE), WR's that are known for their ability to strech the field, but Brunell lacks the arm strength to get them the ball. That is why we see a 6 yard pass on 3rd and 9. Another problem that I had said before and still think, is that Brunell has all the confidence in the world in Moss, but he is not sure yet of Lloyd. Look at how long it took Brunell to attempt to throw the ball deep to Lloyd.

Also, Brunell does spread the ball around I will say that but he is only really spreading the ball to the players he knows, Moss, Cooley, Betts. I mean it makes me wonder why did we even bring in Lloyd if Brunell was going to avoid him like the plague. And the one game when Moss sat out Brunell only threw the ball to Lloyd 3 times maybe 4?!?!

In closing I will say that Brunell was a serviceable QB for us this year up to this point. I am glad and thankful for the year that he gave us last year, boy that was fun, but as much as I dont want to admit it, his arm is not what is was last year when he was hitting Moss on the deep bombs. I am looking forward to sunday to see how Campbell will do. I love the fact that he has a strong arm and I hope that he looks for other people downfield other than #89...

[MTK]

Jeez are we really still talking about this?

Campbell is now the starter, let's move on.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Jeez are we really still talking about this?

Campbell is now the starter, let's move on.

Seriously!! Sheesh!

Even I have accepted it!

[The Zimmermans]

The offense wasnt threatening with brunell, so the defenses just sat back and made tackles on the short plays, giving up some yards (explaining brunell's high qb rating) but no one felt like brunell was capable of making TD throws so they focused on the run, another reason his rating was high. 8 td throws in 9 games is embaressing. Manning can do that in two games. The THREAT is was campbell brings to the table. Defenses won't be able to just sit in zones against him.

[Redskins8588]

Also, everyone knew that Brunell was going to throw to Moss or Cooley and thats it, so D coordinators could get a way with 1 on 1 with Lloyd because Brunell wouldn't eve look his way. In the eagle game and the Titan game Brunell threw to Moss in triple coverage, that is a throw that any veteran QB should not be making...

[The Zimmermans]

It was obvious that brunell could not beat the CBs with his throws, and he relied on Moss to beat them with his routs, and only moss is capable of getting THAT open. Hopefully Campbell can get the ball out quicker than brunell, improving the receiver timing, enabling the receivers to improve their YAC, which is crucial in this offense.

[That Guy]

well, on the same site it shows drive stats which are conveniently ignored (we punt a LOT, we score very rarely etc). of course, they counter the whole, brunell is a god according the the stats argument. at FBO our run game is rated well, and moss and cooley (as receivers) have a good DVOA... which would show that brunell possibly IS the problem.

I mean, FBO also said that kevin jones would be the league MVP last year (oops) and that their research in college->pro transitions at QB would indicate that kyle boller would be the best QB EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME (which they say is obviouly not true). stats alone aren't enough, unless you've got ungodly amounts to cover every possible situation. that's not what DVOA does (not by itself), since it can't distinguish meaningful yards from garbage time or scoring % (yeah QBs get credit for TDs/INTs, but RB rushing TDs they helped set up aren't counted, or FGs, or punts, and fumbles aren't really weighted).

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

well, on the same site it shows drive stats which are conveniently ignored (we punt a LOT, we score very rarely etc). of course, they counter the whole, brunell is a god according the the stats argument. at FBO our run game is rated well, and moss and cooley (as receivers) have a good DVOA... which would show that brunell possibly IS the problem.

I mean, FBO also said that kevin jones would be the league MVP last year (oops) and that their research in college->pro transitions at QB would indicate that kyle boller would be the best QB EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME (which they say is obviouly not true). stats alone aren't enough, unless you've got ungodly amounts to cover every possible situation. that's not what DVOA does (not by itself), since it can't distinguish meaningful yards from garbage time or scoring % (yeah QBs get credit for TDs/INTs, but RB rushing TDs they helped set up aren't counted, or FGs, or punts, and fumbles aren't really weighted).

Kyle Boller's projection is REALLY low (he's outplayed his projection by 2 DPAR/G). I don't know where you found him projected as the greatest QB ever, but in the Prospectus, he's projected at lower than 1 DPAR/G. That's similar to Ryan Leaf's projection in terms of horribleness.

But at absolute worst, they are just one more opinion, so it's cool if you don't subscribe to them.