Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

And as has been mentioned many times, how nice is it to sit back on a punt and KNOW that it's not going to be a fumble and that every time he touches the ball, there's a chance at it going all the way.

Well, I'd be surprised if he NEVER fumbled in a Redskin uniform, but your point is well taken.

His versatility has certainly been a breath of fresh air, and his running and even throwing has propelled our still top 10 efficency rating (we dropped 3 spots after the Phili game if anyone cares). Even though it's narrow minded to look only at Randle El's receiving, he's been not so great so far. Between drops and not getting first downs that are right there...he's left more to be desired in that aspect of his game.

Worse than replacement doesn't mean that he CAN'T (or isn't) get the job done. It means he's not doing a job quite as well as some guy on the waiver wire (who doesn't completely suck) could.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, I'd be surprised if he NEVER fumbled in a Redskin uniform, but your point is well taken.

His versatility has certainly been a breath of fresh air, and his running and even throwing has propelled our still top 10 efficency rating (we dropped 3 spots after the Phili game if anyone cares). Even though it's narrow minded to look only at Randle El's receiving, he's been not so great so far. Between drops and not getting first downs that are right there...he's left more to be desired in that aspect of his game.

Worse than replacement doesn't mean that he CAN'T (or isn't) get the job done. It means he's not doing a job quite as well as some guy on the waiver wire (who doesn't completely suck) could.

Here is my question... does anyone think that with TO, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice in his prime, etc, that they would have put up better stats than Lloyd and Randle El in this offense?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Here is my question... does anyone think that with TO, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice in his prime, etc, that they would have put up better stats than Lloyd and Randle El in this offense?

Yes they would. Of course, the entire offense would have been very different so that everyones stats would be different. For better or worse, we would be doing things much differently.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by illdefined

all the receivers are REALLY going to try and get separation now, because they know Campbell has the arm to really get it to them. even out of the pocket. the whole character of this team has changed. watch and see.

If I can go back to this tired point for one second. Great, thanks.

Wasn't it you who said yesterday that Brunell's stats were so great because of "supreme efforts from great players"?

If so, how supreme are the efforts going to be now that Campbell is in? Can they get to a level of such supremity that we will never lose again? If so what do we have to do to bring out this sort of effort in them?

What we could do is get some high school scrub to play QB and then Randle El and Lloyd will try so damn hard that no one this side of the Atlantic could tackle them!

Of course I'm being ridiculous...but at least I'm not contradicting myself.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Of course I'm being ridiculous...but at least I'm
not contradicting myself.

No, you're just blaming everyone but Brunell. Shocker...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

No, you're just blaming everyone but Brunell. Shocker...

Actually, the only place I put the blame was on our 30TH RANKED DEFENSE! And our OLine for getting really untimely penalties.

Randle El and Lloyd don't often affect the outcome of the game because they are recievers and don't touch the ball that often. They don't win and lose games for us unless they break a punt return or make a critical fumble.

Our D has lost 6 games for us.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Our D has lost 6 games for us.

The only games that the defense is directly responsible for losing was the opener against the Vikings, and the Titans game. We'll throw in the Colts game too, but Peyton Manning and the best offensive team in the league are going to score points no matter what. Let's look at the three divisional losses.

Week 2 @ Dallas 10-27 - Three offensive points. Seven special teams points. Brunell's rating 61.6. Yeah. the sure offense did it's part that day...

Week 5 @ New York 3-19 - Three offensive points. Defense only gave up 19. Brunell's rating 68.2. See above.

Week 10 @ Philly 3-27 - Defense gave up a couple big plays, but again... three offensive points(notice a pattern?). Brunell's rating 49.4.

So by you're logic, the defense should have given up less than 10 points to the Cowboys, and less than THREE points to the Giants and Eagles. Those losses have nothing to do with the fact that Brunell played like shit, right? But please, keep arguing how "above average" Brunell's season has been.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If I can go back to this tired point for one second. Great, thanks.

Wasn't it you who said yesterday that Brunell's stats were so great because of "supreme efforts from great players"?

If so, how supreme are the efforts going to be now that Campbell is in? Can they get to a level of such supremity that we will never lose again? If so what do we have to do to bring out this sort of effort in them?

What we could do is get some high school scrub to play QB and then Randle El and Lloyd will try so damn hard that no one this side of the Atlantic could tackle them!

Of course I'm being ridiculous...but at least I'm not contradicting myself.

i said that? nah i don't think so. i surmised the WR's were starting to give up hope on no.8. i said no.8's stats were great because of BETTS. get your detractors straight.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

His versatility has certainly been a breath of fresh air, and his running and even throwing has propelled our still top 10 efficency rating (we dropped 3 spots after the Phili game if anyone cares). Even though it's narrow minded to look only at Randle El's receiving, he's been not so great so far. Between drops and not getting first downs that are right there...he's left more to be desired in that aspect of his game.

Worse than replacement doesn't mean that he CAN'T (or isn't) get the job done. It means he's not doing a job quite as well as some guy on the waiver wire (who doesn't completely suck) could.

Wow... it's funny how some people are able to point out Randle El's flaws, in spite of the fact that he gets about four offensive touches a game, and yet Brunell, who touches the ball on every offensive play, can do no wrong...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Wow... it's funny how some people are able to point out Randle El's flaws, in spite of the fact that he gets about four offensive touches a game, and yet Brunell, who touches the ball on every offensive play, can do no wrong...

Wha? I'm just using the DPAR metric to show how Brunell has been much better than average this season, and Randle El hasn't been replacement level. No one said anything about "doing no wrong".

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Wow... it's funny how some people are able to point out Randle El's flaws, in spite of the fact that he gets about four offensive touches a game, and yet Brunell, who touches the ball on every offensive play, can do no wrong...

As a pass catcher, Randel-el has shown nothing to indicate he isn't just mediocre at the position.

As a football player, he's shown incredible potential, and sustained glimpses of brilliance. He is an awesome person to have on your team. You cannot argue against that, its not even worth it.

But as a WR soley catching passes, he hasn't been anything special. He hasn't been given the greatest oppurtunity, but I think Lloyd has made a bigger impact in the passing game. When Lloyd is thrown too, he makes plays. Randel-el has found he can make plays, just usually not catching the ball.

I still think it's pre-mature to conclude anything from this, but it's something to observe nevertheless.

Unfortunatly, No-one should over-analyse much about our stagnant season thus far... It's too filled with variables.