Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising

[That Guy]

lloyd isn't bad and he blocks well.... lloyd and el are still overpaid though (the next highest offer to el was 8mill SB, 18mill total - vs our 10mill SB, 31mill total).

carter' looked average at best he's shown some improvement though, but for what he's paid? :/

and yes, you need to judge performance according to contracts, because those huge overheads hurt the team's ability to improve.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

lloyd isn't bad and he blocks well.... lloyd and el are still overpaid though (the next highest offer to el was 8mill SB, 18mill total - vs our 10mill SB, 31mill total).

If you had the power to go back and sign just one of the two, which one would you choose?

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

If you had the power to go back and sign just one of the two, which one would you choose?

Obviously ARE, because he returns punts, and throw.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Obviously ARE, because he returns punts, and throw.

He chose poooooor-leeeee.


j/k - haven't used an Indiana Jones reference in awhile.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

If you had the power to go back and sign just one of the two, which one would you choose?

el, i mean, neither one of the WRs looks that bad, but we've got patten sorta cheap and those contracts are killers if they're allowed to hit their 4th year for the current production.

[Beemnseven]

Hey, let's lay off on the criticism of Andre Carter.

Remember, it's the defensive tackles' fault -- not his -- that he's not getting to the quarterback.

[marius]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Hey, let's lay off on the criticism of Andre Carter.

Remember, it's the defensive tackles' fault -- not his -- that he's not getting to the quarterback.

Actually, I blame those pesky offensive linemen for getting in his way. If they weren't there he'd get a couple of sacks.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by marius

Actually, I blame those pesky offensive linemen for getting in his way. If they weren't there he'd get a couple of sacks.

I wholeheartedly agree. I was sarcastically repeating one of the more mystifying excuses that some at this message board have actually used to defend Carter.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I wholeheartedly agree. I was sarcastically repeating one of the more mystifying excuses that some at this message board have actually used to defend Carter.

I think you're completely twisting the thread that SGG had started. I don't think he was absolving AC of blame entirely. He was just saying, correctly, that healthy DTs could help relieve pressure, draw double teams and free Carter up.

I agree that more is expected of Carter but strong play from the interior would go a long way toward helping him.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I think you're completely twisting the thread that SGG had started. I don't think he was absolving AC of blame entirely. He was just saying, correctly, that healthy DTs could help relieve pressure, draw double teams and free Carter up.

I agree that more is expected of Carter but strong play from the interior would go a long way toward helping him.

Bravo Sierra. It's not often that offensive tackles take part in a double team on a D-tackle while leaving the defensive end free in a passing situation. In the rare instances that it does happen, a tight end is usually left to block -- something that even adequate defensive ends are supposed to be able to exploit. In Carter's case, we've yet to see it.

In any case, defensive tackles are generally tied up with three interior lineman anyway (meaning someone's getting double-teamed on just about every play), leaving one-on-one battles between ends and tackles. As I said before, defensive tackles getting the kind of penetration you and SGG are talking about would result in THEM getting the sacks -- making Carter, and every other defensive end useless, or in our case blameless in not being able to get to the quarterback.

Sure, it'd be great if Griffin and Salave'a were blowing up the middle and getting in the QBs face before he has time to think. But that has nothing to do with Carter's complete inability apply any sort of pressure to the passer.

[offiss]

Carter has shown no real pass rushing skills to speak of, it looks as if he's a guy who would fly off the charts at a combine workout but really has no football savey.

Lloyd on the other hand has had only one problem so far and that is Brunell, I constantly see him beating his man deep, he runs real nice routes and sucks the defenders in with his fakes, unfortuantly that doesn't matter if the
QB can't get the ball to you. I to believe Lloyd will be a favorite of Campbell.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

If you had the power to go back and sign just one of the two, which one would you choose?

Randle El. Although you lose the ability to make plays in 1 v 1 situations, you need the punt returning ability and the versatility to break the game wide open.

Since the new CBA was agreed upon, I think that the most important thing for roster building is no longer managing the salary cap (because over the next few years, the cap is going to increase at a ridiculous rate), its managing the active roster. Espicially at the WR position, with guys who don't touch the ball all that much, you are in today's game hurting your team by having a guy who can do nothing but play WR taking up a roster spot. Now if you are Santana Moss, and can do things on a football field others can only dream of, that's another thing.

There is really nothing versatile about Brandon Lloyd, per say. Over the last few games, he's been helping the offense by making catches in tight coverage. Of course, over his career, he really hasn't been good at getting seperation, so it's a good thing he can make those catches in traffic. I expect him to improve over the rest of the year.

But if we could only have had one, it should have been Randle El.

[marius]

Originally Posted by That Guy

lloyd isn't bad and he blocks well.... lloyd and el are still overpaid though (the next highest offer to el was 8mill SB, 18mill total - vs our 10mill SB, 31mill total).

carter' looked average at best he's shown some improvement though, but for what he's paid? :/

and yes, you need to judge performance according to contracts, because those huge overheads hurt the team's ability to improve.

Can't blame them for getting huge contracts - blame the FO. I have been pleasantly surprised by Lloyd, not in terms of numbers but in terms of commitment - the guy obviously burns to win. His numbers will go up when the passing game opens up.

Carter has been disappointing but has shown sparks and has the explosive speed the skins D needs. I feel that what he really needs is some more support from inside - a little more pressure coming from elsewhere on the line could help him tremendously.