Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse?

[That Guy]

well, on the same site it shows drive stats which are conveniently ignored (we punt a LOT, we score very rarely etc). of course, they counter the whole, brunell is a god according the the stats argument. at FBO our run game is rated well, and moss and cooley (as receivers) have a good DVOA... which would show that brunell possibly IS the problem.

I mean, FBO also said that kevin jones would be the league MVP last year (oops) and that their research in college->pro transitions at QB would indicate that kyle boller would be the best QB EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME (which they say is obviouly not true). stats alone aren't enough, unless you've got ungodly amounts to cover every possible situation. that's not what DVOA does (not by itself), since it can't distinguish meaningful yards from garbage time or scoring % (yeah QBs get credit for TDs/INTs, but RB rushing TDs they helped set up aren't counted, or FGs, or punts, and fumbles aren't really weighted).

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

well, on the same site it shows drive stats which are conveniently ignored (we punt a LOT, we score very rarely etc). of course, they counter the whole, brunell is a god according the the stats argument. at FBO our run game is rated well, and moss and cooley (as receivers) have a good DVOA... which would show that brunell possibly IS the problem.

I mean, FBO also said that kevin jones would be the league MVP last year (oops) and that their research in college->pro transitions at QB would indicate that kyle boller would be the best QB EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME (which they say is obviouly not true). stats alone aren't enough, unless you've got ungodly amounts to cover every possible situation. that's not what DVOA does (not by itself), since it can't distinguish meaningful yards from garbage time or scoring % (yeah QBs get credit for TDs/INTs, but RB rushing TDs they helped set up aren't counted, or FGs, or punts, and fumbles aren't really weighted).

Kyle Boller's projection is REALLY low (he's outplayed his projection by 2 DPAR/G). I don't know where you found him projected as the greatest QB ever, but in the Prospectus, he's projected at lower than 1 DPAR/G. That's similar to Ryan Leaf's projection in terms of horribleness.

But at absolute worst, they are just one more opinion, so it's cool if you don't subscribe to them.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Kyle Boller's projection is REALLY low (he's outplayed his projection by 2 DPAR/G). I don't know where you found him projected as the greatest QB ever, but in the Prospectus, he's projected at lower than 1 DPAR/G. That's similar to Ryan Leaf's projection in terms of horribleness.

But at absolute worst, they are just one more opinion, so it's cool if you don't subscribe to them.

not his DPAR, the whole college starts + college completion % = better NFL QB (it's what you quote when you say campbell is going to be great).

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

not his DPAR, the whole college starts + college completion % = better NFL QB (it's what you quote when you say campbell is going to be great).

I know what I'm quoting. No, his (Boller's) completion % was awful in college. Thus he's projected awful.

Are you sure you are talking about Kyle Boller?