Gibbs looks angry during press conference

[skinsguy]

It is funny how some of you guys can't get passed this thing with Joe Gibbs and Mark Brunell, but you can completely ignore the fact that the real reasons why we're losing games are the defense and the inconsistent playcalling from Al Saunders. I'll admit, I was very excited to see Al Saunders coming here, but this team wins with Joe Gibbs football, and they're not playing Joe Gibbs football.

A side note...I think Jason Campbell played more than well enough to have won us a ball game,but he has completely NO HELP from anybody else with the exception of Loyd, ARE, and Cooley.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

It is funny how some of you guys can't get passed this thing with Joe Gibbs and Mark Brunell, but you can completely ignore the fact that the real reasons why we're losing games are the defense and the inconsistent playcalling from Al Saunders. I'll admit, I was very excited to see Al Saunders coming here, but this team wins with Joe Gibbs football, and they're not playing Joe Gibbs football.

A side note...I think Jason Campbell played more than well enough to have won us a ball game,but he has completely NO HELP from anybody else with the exception of Loyd, ARE, and Cooley.

We are losing games because of the guys that GIBBS wanted . Gibbs brought these players in here , and he brought in Saunders . Gibbs is they guy willing to trade draft picks like they are worthless . And he keeps talking about character ,, Moss and Taylor have committed about a dozen personal fouls this year . If character is so important , why do we keep going the the " U " for talent ? Moss , ya he is really tough sitting out again , he could have run some plays to help JC . JC looked good , now we need some help on the OL , DL , LB and DB's .

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

A side note...I think Jason Campbell played more than well enough to have won us a ball game,but he has completely NO HELP from anybody else with the exception of Loyd, ARE, and Cooley.

Randle El had one catch for 14 yards. He started today right? Was he #2 or #3 behind Thrash and Lloyd?

Maybe it was inexperience at QB combined with a good pass defense? At what point do we start raising some eyebrows at Randle El's production as a wideout?

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Randle El had one catch for 14 yards. He started today right? Was he #2 or #3 behind Thrash and Lloyd?

Maybe it was inexperience at QB combined with a good pass defense? At what point do we start raising some eyebrows at Randle El's production as a wideout?

He's never going to catch 80 balls. What they need from him is to do his punt return thing and then provide one or two explosive plays on offense per game. Those may be runs, passes, or catches. I don't see him ever breaking out for 10 catches and 200 yards in a game. If he were capable of that, he would have done it in Pittsburgh. The Steelers are not a club that allows any talent to go to waste. If he had potential as a great WR, Cowher would have dragged it out of him. Instead he ended up in the role that he did which will end up being the same role he plays for us. That's why Lloyd was also signed. He is the more traditional WR compliment to Moss.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

He's never going to catch 80 balls. What they need from him is to do his punt return thing and then provide one or two explosive plays on offense per game. Those may be runs, passes, or catches. I don't see him ever breaking out for 10 catches and 200 yards in a game. If he were capable of that, he would have done it in Pittsburgh. The Steelers are not a club that allows any talent to go to waste. If he had potential as a great WR, Cowher would have dragged it out of him. Instead he ended up in the role that he did which will end up being the same role he plays for us. That's why Lloyd was also signed. He is the more traditional WR compliment to Moss.

If that is the case then he is being paid too much for what he is doing. That money he is making sure could be spent elsewhere.

[SmootSmack]

They tried some trickery with Cooley throwing to El. I prefer it when it's the other way around.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Randle El had one catch for 14 yards. He started today right? Was he #2 or #3 behind Thrash and Lloyd?

Maybe it was inexperience at QB combined with a good pass defense? At what point do we start raising some eyebrows at Randle El's production as a wideout?

Look at his career stats. What did you expect from the guy, a 1000 yard season?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Look at his career stats. What did you expect from the guy, a 1000 yard season?

Well, his career stats as the #3 receiver behind Hines Ward and Plaxico Burress on a team committed to the run like the Steelers were bound to be diminished.

Maybe I was hoping the front office saw something in his athletic ability that I didn't ?

For the money that was thrown at him, I guess I expected better than one catch for 14 yards when our best wideout was injured. I mean James Thrash did better than that, for crying out loud.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, his career stats as the #3 receiver behind Hines Ward and Plaxico Burress on a team committed to the run like the Steelers were bound to be diminished.

Maybe I was hoping the front office saw something in his athletic ability that I didn't ?

For the money that was thrown at him, I guess I expected better than one catch for 14 yards when our best wideout was injured. I mean James Thrash did better than that, for crying out loud.

You just answered your own question "#3 receiver". What would give you any faith in our front office?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

You just answered your own question "#3 receiver". What would give you any faith in our front office?

But was he #3 by virtue of his inabilities as a wide receiver, or by the fact that he wasn't as experienced as Ward or Burress? I guess we're learning the answer to that now. Talk about an expensive lesson.

My expectations of him, and the front office were obviously way too high.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

But was he #3 by virtue of his inabilities as a wide receiver, or by the fact that he wasn't as experienced as Ward or Burress? I guess we're learning the answer to that now. Talk about an expensive lesson.

My expectations of him, and the front office were obviously way too high.

For what it's worth he does add an unusual dimension to any offense and he is a great punt returner.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Randle El had one catch for 14 yards. He started today right? Was he #2 or #3 behind Thrash and Lloyd?

Maybe it was inexperience at QB combined with a good pass defense? At what point do we start raising some eyebrows at Randle El's production as a wideout?

I was doing that last week.

I like Randle El, I wanted Randle El, thought he'd look good in Burgundy, and I still do. Just understand that as a wide receiver, there's nothing special about him. What's special about him is that he CAN hold his own at WR, while doing so much more for this team.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I was doing that last week.

I like Randle El, I wanted Randle El, thought he'd look good in Burgundy, and I still do. Just understand that as a wide receiver, there's nothing special about him. What's special about him is that he CAN hold his own at WR, while doing so much more for this team.

If that's the case then don't overpay for his services. He's not worth the money they are paying him. Another bad move by the bad front office.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If that's the case then don't overpay for his services. He's not worth the money they are paying him. Another bad move by the bad front office.

I think that was our best move this offseason.


But after we already brought in Lloyd, why not go spend the money on a lineman or something more useful?

Come to think of it, why DID we give a 3rd and 4th for Lloyd, if we were planning to outbid for Randle El.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think that was our best move this offseason.

Relatively speaking, you are correct.