JOE GIBBS needs to take control

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by DGreen28

All I have to say is KC never went to the SB with AL but GIbbs has 3 rings

Congrats, KC never had a good D. We were suppose to have one this year, but that didnt happen. I honestly felt we would barely make the playoffs this year, and I had somewhat expected the offense not to click right away.

I did not expect our D to suck ass, that why we are in a hole right now. If our D was like last years, we would still be in the running.



If that is all you have to counter me with, then this debate is over.

[DGreen28]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Congrats, KC never had a good D. We were suppose to have one this year, but that didnt happen. I honestly felt we would barely make the playoffs this year, and I had somewhat expected the offense not to click right away.

I did not expect our D to suck ass, that why we are in a hole right now. If our D was like last years, we would still be in the running.



If that is all you have to counter me with, then this debate is over.

All the skins needed last was WR's not a hole new offense. Do you think that Lloyd and ARE wouldn't have made a difference!

[MTK]

The offense isn't even the main issue right now. Fix the D and most of our problems would be solved. I don't know why some people are so intent on focusing on the offense. It's too late for any wholesale changes to the systems at this point in the year anyway.

[DGreen28]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The offense isn't even the main issue right now. Fix the D and most of our problems would be solved. I don't know why some people are so intent on focusing on the offense. It's too late for any wholesale changes to the systems at this point in the year anyway.

If the O doesn't control Time of Poss. The defense get wore down by the fourth quarter. That is the key to GIBBS FOOTBALL

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by DGreen28

If the O doesn't control Time of Poss. The defense get wore down by the fourth quarter. That is the key to GIBBS FOOTBALL

Al does have a bit adjusting to do, and I am sure he is aware of it. He has gotten away from the run, and I expect more run from him next game.

Regardless, pulling him is NOT the solution. You yourself have clearly stated changing offense alot is bad. Ok we changed to Al, he is proven, so lets keep it.

Gibbs v2.0 got two full years, and it was inconsistent. Now give Al two years, dont be hypocritical.

[DGreen28]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Al does have a bit adjusting to do, and I am sure he is aware of it. He has gotten away from the run, and I expect more run from him next game.

Regardless, pulling him is NOT the solution. You yourself have clearly stated changing offense alot is bad. Ok we changed to Al, he is proven, so lets keep it.

Gibbs v2.0 got two full years, and it was inconsistent. Now give Al two years, dont be hypocritical.

GIBBS is the head coach and Al is not. Look at the Ravens situation

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by DGreen28

GIBBS is the head coach and Al is not. Look at the Ravens situation

Al is doing what Gibbs mainly did last year, he is running the offense. Gibbs ran the offense last year.

We are not talking about personel moves, etc, we are only talking about playcalling.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by DGreen28

GIBBS is the head coach and Al is not. Look at the Ravens situation

We don't have a defense that can play anywhere near the level of the Ravens.

When the Ravens D is good they are good. It doesn't matter whether Billick is calling plays or not. Also, they had a good record when he made that move.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by DGreen28

If the O doesn't control Time of Poss. The defense get wore down by the fourth quarter. That is the key to GIBBS FOOTBALL

c'mon dude gimme a break.

The defense can't stop anything right now. The offense would literally need to hold the ball the entire game.

The key to Gibbs football is pounding the rock AND stopping the run.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

c'mon dude gimme a break.

The defense can't stop anything right now. The offense would literally need to hold the ball the entire game.

The key to Gibbs football is pounding the rock AND stopping the run.

I agree.

Most people do not realize how awful our defense really is this year. If our D was halfway decent we would be in the hunt. Most Brunell haters still would be shocked, because I think Brunell would still be the starter if our D was performing well.

If you look at performance, Brunell hasnt been much worst than McNair or Plummer, but both those guys are starters. It is because they have the D to back them up.

Our defense not only gives up big plays, it does not create turnovers. I have compared our D to the Cincy D last year. Cincy gave up big plays, but they came up with alot of turnovers. The Skins would be successful if that coud happen.

If we get turnovers, then we have more chances to score, and less chances for the opponent. Simple as that.

Dont get me wrong, I don think Saunders has been amazing. I wouldnt even say he has been really good, he has been ok. I am a bit disappointed, because I had hoped the offense had clicked earlier, but I still think the offense would be better if the D helped em out a bit.

Saunders has gone away from the run a bit, and our lineman arent doing what he wants. I am positive he will adjust to that next game.

Again I feel people are looking for blame where there isnt any. Defense is the major problem this year.

[freddyg12]

the real question is would replacing brunell have 'fixed' Gibbs' offense? The O played well until MB got hurt against the NYG. Even Ramsey came in & threw some td's. That inconsistency we saw at the end of last year had a lot to do w/brunell's knees. Teams were stackin the box w/no fear of our passing game.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

the real question is would replacing brunell have 'fixed' Gibbs' offense? The O played well until MB got hurt against the NYG. Even Ramsey came in & threw some td's. That inconsistency we saw at the end of last year had a lot to do w/brunell's knees. Teams were stackin the box w/no fear of our passing game.

I think putting in Ramsey would give us a better chance, but I would have still predicted the same exact result.

I dont feel all of that was because of Brunell's injury, it was because of a very simple offense that the defenses picked up rather easily.

[DGreen28]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I think putting in Ramsey would give us a better chance, but I would have still predicted the same exact result.

I dont feel all of that was because of Brunell's injury, it was because of a very simple offense that the defenses picked up rather easily.

Keep it simple so the offensive players understand it. It does not matter how complex the playbbook is if the QB does not understand. But your right about Ramsey

[hooskins]

I know alot of the Redskins fan base thinks like this, but I seriously hope that the front office and Gibbs are not thinking like this.

Everyone knows consistancy is important to winning, and the Skins should know this, seeing that we suck more than Red Light District hooker with all of our changes in the past decade.

I will be beyond frustrated if Al is cut.

[hooskins]

And yeah if you look at Baltimore, they have an amazing defense that creates turnovers, and their offense is not doing much better with Fassel being cut(it was him right?). I think he was a scapegoat for the problems they have in Baltimore.

I contest that if we had a D like Baltimore and the current Al Saunders offense, we would be a front runner for the playoffs.