Im done....Gibbs must go.

[mason4415]

i have figured out the Gibbs philosophy! his philosophy is to try and impose the team's will on the opponent... as stated in the previous post - Not happening in today's NFL! the teams are too well-coached, parody is too rampant, and i don't know why this is even an argument.

we are 20-28 in almost 3 years! TWENTY wins in FORTY-EIGHT games!!!!

Sean Payton went to N.O., got rid of over 50% of the team, brought in a good QB and is 8-4!

If you can't do it in 2 years (much less 3), then it probably isn't going to happen!

[mason4415]

To conclude, I am simply pointing out that Joe Gibb's simplistic philosophy of "establishing the run" is vastly out-dated!

Like a previous poster said, at many times we look like a bunch of JV high schoolers out there compared to other teams. The league is not as "simple" as it used to be.

In fact, it is VERY complex and is only getting tougher. If you can't agree with that, then it is hopeless.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mason4415

To conclude, I am simply pointing out that Joe Gibb's simplistic philosophy of "establishing the run" is vastly out-dated!

Like a previous poster said, at many times we look like a bunch of JV high schoolers out there compared to other teams. The league is not as "simple" as it used to be.

In fact, it is VERY complex and is only getting tougher. If you can't agree with that, then it is hopeless.

So I missed yesterday's game. But from what I understand we were running it down their throats and went up 14-0. But then we started passing more and things fell apart. So are you saying? We shouldn't have run to begin with? Really, help me understand your point.

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

So I missed yesterday's game. But from what I understand we were running it down their throats and went up 14-0. But then we started passing more and things fell apart. So are you saying? We shouldn't have run to begin with? Really, help me understand your point.

how do you get that? i said that it's about attacking the opponent's weaknesses and pounding the ball when you have a decent lead. in fact, they should've kept pounding the g'dmn ball scattering in a few play-action passes on 1st and 2nd downs.

yesterday was more about not having a killer instinct and thinking that a 1st quarter 14-0 lead is safe!

[hail_2_da_skins]

HEY!!!!!!!!!!
STOP THE FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Redskins are officialling in a rebuilding mode. Stop trying to pass around blame for the situation they are in. The question that needs to be asked, "Do you feel that the present organization is capable of turning around the team with the present personel?" If you feel this organization cannot right the ship, then some personel changes need to be made. Either fire some coaches or players or both. I caution going after the quick fix. I think the reason the Redskins are in the situation they are in now is because for the past 10 years, they have been seeking the quick fix. I think the Skins need to stick with one system for a while and let it work its way out. Stop changing. Be patient. Give Gibbs and company the benefit of the doubt and let them do there jobs and get this team back into playoff contention.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Keys to winning in the NFL:
1. Stop the run
2. Run the ball
3. Don't turn the ball over
4. Force turnovers

That isn't anything new. That philosophy has and will work forever. Sure, the NFL has changed but the keys to winning haven't.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Keys to winning in the NFL:
1. Stop the run
2. Run the ball
3. Don't turn the ball over
4. Force turnovers

That isn't anything new. That philosophy has and will work forever. Sure, the NFL has changed but the keys to winning haven't.

But John Madden would remind you that the real key to winning a game is outscoring your opponent.

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Keys to winning in the NFL:
1. Stop the run
2. Run the ball
3. Don't turn the ball over
4. Force turnovers

That isn't anything new. That philosophy has and will work forever. Sure, the NFL has changed but the keys to winning haven't.

Keys to winning in the NFL:

1. DEFENSE
2. QB play
3. Offensive Line play

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Keys to winning in the NFL:
1. Stop the run
2. Run the ball
3. Don't turn the ball over
4. Force turnovers

That isn't anything new. That philosophy has and will work forever. Sure, the NFL has changed but the keys to winning haven't.

this post makes me angry and is exactly why the redskins are where they are!

true, T/O ratio is one of the most important keys to winning. but running the ball certain is not! being balanced enough to take advantage of opponents weaknesses is a must in today's NFL, i.e. the New England Patriots. It's not about establishing "Redskins" smash mouth football. See last year's Steelers. They made it to the Super Bowl by THROWING THE FOOTBALL and taking what was given to them.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by mason4415

this post makes me angry and is exactly why the redskins are where they are!

true, T/O ratio is one of the most important keys to winning. but running the ball certain is not! being balanced enough to take advantage of opponents weaknesses is a must in today's NFL, i.e. the New England Patriots. It's not about establishing "Redskins" smash mouth football. See last year's Steelers. They made it to the Super Bowl by THROWING THE FOOTBALL and taking what was given to them.

Umm..errr...The Steelers had 549 rushing plays versus 379 passing plays. Big Ben didn't break 2,500 yards passing. These stats were brought to you by NFL.com - Official Site of the National Football League.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Umm..errr...The Steelers had 549 rushing plays versus 379 passing plays. Big Ben didn't break 2,500 yards passing. These stats were brought to you by NFL.com - Official Site of the National Football League.

Just to piggyback on that. When the Steelers were 7-5 last year and won out on their way to a Super Bowl title the following happened in each game:

Final four games of regular season:
44 rushes 20 passes
33 rushes 15 passes
35 rushes 21 passes
41 rushes 16 passes

Playoffs:
30 rushes 21 passes
37 rushes 24 passes
30 rushes 29 passes
26 rushes 22 passes

*I didn't include Roethlisberger's rushing attempts, figuring a lot were inadvertent rushes (being hurried, sacked)

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Just to piggyback on that. When the Steelers were 7-5 last year and won out on their way to a Super Bowl title the following happened in each game:

Final four games of regular season:
44 rushes 20 passes
33 rushes 15 passes
35 rushes 21 passes
41 rushes 16 passes

Playoffs:
30 rushes 21 passes
37 rushes 24 passes
30 rushes 29 passes
26 rushes 22 passes

*I didn't include Roethlisberger's rushing attempts, figuring a lot were inadvertent rushes (being hurried, sacked)

Those numbers are skewed by the fact that they jumped to big leads or had 2 possession leads in the 4th quarter. I think it is obvious to everyone that you need to be able to pound the ball when you're up 14/21 points!

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Just to piggyback on that. When the Steelers were 7-5 last year and won out on their way to a Super Bowl title the following happened in each game:

Final four games of regular season:
44 rushes 20 passes
33 rushes 15 passes
35 rushes 21 passes
41 rushes 16 passes

Playoffs:
30 rushes 21 passes
37 rushes 24 passes
30 rushes 29 passes
26 rushes 22 passes

*I didn't include Roethlisberger's rushing attempts, figuring a lot were inadvertent rushes (being hurried, sacked)

Regular Season:

Score: 21 - 9; Big Ben Rating: 109.0
Score: 18 - 3; Rating: 99.0
Score: 41 - 0; Rating: 120.0
Score: 35 -21; Rating: 34.1

Playoffs:

Score: 31 - 17; Rating: 148.7
Score: 21 - 18 (only close in 4th); Rating: 95.3
Score: 34 - 17; Rating: 124.9
Score: 21 - 10; Rating: 22.6

Again, you have to be able to pass effectively in this league to CONSISTENTLY win in the NFL.

I rest my case.

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Umm..errr...The Steelers had 549 rushing plays versus 379 passing plays. Big Ben didn't break 2,500 yards passing. These stats were brought to you by NFL.com - Official Site of the National Football League.

that has nothing to do with what i just said... they went on the road and won 3 games in the playoffs by throwing the ball! if they didn't do that, then we are probably talking about the Indianapolis Colts as the defending Super Bowl champs... I don't know how they keep winning with such a great passing attack! Must be an anomaly, huh? lol

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by mason4415

this post makes me angry and is exactly why the redskins are where they are!

true, T/O ratio is one of the most important keys to winning. but running the ball certain is not! being balanced enough to take advantage of opponents weaknesses is a must in today's NFL, i.e. the New England Patriots. It's not about establishing "Redskins" smash mouth football. See last year's Steelers. They made it to the Super Bowl by THROWING THE FOOTBALL and taking what was given to them.

Ah, the age old debate: does the running game open the passing game, or vice versa? I don't think it matters. The reason running the ball effectively is important is because of possession.