Im done....Gibbs must go.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

This is quite skewed! You have said nothing about Gregg Williams who makes all the decisions about the defense and Joe Gibbs has said this over and over again, yet you say nothing about the defense. You say nothing about the rookie mistake of Jason Campbell throwing the INT when he should've ate the football. You say nothing about Campbell not seeing a wide open Chris Cooley on that drive where we should've scored on. You say nothing about the INT Campbell throws that put the nail in the coffin for us. You say nothing about our thin secondary, the injuries we've had to valuable guys like Springs for instance. All you have to say is it's all Joe Gibbs fault. If this is true, then are you willing to give Joe Gibbs the credit for getting this team in the playoffs and winning a playoff game in his second year back as head coach?

My point is, there are plenty of variables the equate to our losing season. Sure, Joe Gibbs is going to take all the blame, but to answer YOUR poll....everybody is to blame for our team this year. That isn't to say I think everyone needs to be fired, but everybody needs to improve on their job.

Again. Whose decision was it to bring in Greg Williams and to let Greg Williams have complete autonomy with defensive personnel?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Again. Whose decision was it to bring in Greg Williams and to let Greg Williams have complete autonomy with defensive personnel?

Nobody was complaining the last two years when he had a top 10 D.

[Citizens for 81]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Again. Whose decision was it to bring in Greg Williams and to let Greg Williams have complete autonomy with defensive personnel?

Were you complaining about that decision last year or the year before that as well?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Again. Whose decision was it to bring in Greg Williams and to let Greg Williams have complete autonomy with defensive personnel?

This is why your defense is illogical. In an earlier post, you claimed it was Joe Gibbs' decision to get AA, yet in this post you're blaming Joe Gibbs for giving Williams complete autonomy. Again, it's a weak argument. You can put anyone in as head coach you want, and if Saunders and Williams continued to have under achieving offenses and defenses, you would still fire the head coach every year and ignore the coordinators.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

This is why your defense is illogical. In an earlier post, you claimed it was Joe Gibbs' decision to get AA, yet in this post you're blaming Joe Gibbs for giving Williams complete autonomy. Again, it's a weak argument. You can put anyone in as head coach you want, and if Saunders and Williams continued to have under achieving offenses and defenses, you would still fire the head coach every year and ignore the coordinators.

I never ever ever claimed that it was Joe Gibbs decesion to get AA. What I said was that if Joe Gibbs is going to give his defensive cord. autonomy to select the players he wants, then Joe Gibbs is ultimately responsible. Plain and simple. If a CEO fails to perform, he is ultimately responsible to the shareholders. Joe Gibbs is to blame, he must be held responsible, otherwise the "head coach" title is meaningless.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

I never ever ever claimed that it was Joe Gibbs decesion to get AA. What I said was that if Joe Gibbs is going to give his defensive cord. autonomy to select the players he wants, then Joe Gibbs is ultimately responsible. Plain and simple. If a CEO fails to perform, he is ultimately responsible to the shareholders. Joe Gibbs is to blame, he must be held responsible, otherwise the "head coach" title is meaningless.

By the way, when was the last time a head coach was fired in the NFL and both defensive and offensive coordinators stuck around? Never. Firing the Coach cleans house generally.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

By the way, when was the last time a head coach was fired in the NFL and both defensive and offensive coordinators stuck around? Never. Firing the Coach cleans house generally.

Who said that both coordinators would stick around? And does this mean that you don't want to clean house or what?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by steveo395

Who said that both coordinators would stick around? And does this mean that you don't want to clean house or what?

He's quoting himself, he's obviously losing it.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by steveo395

Who said that both coordinators would stick around? And does this mean that you don't want to clean house or what?

No, sorry for the confusion. The other guy said it would be pointless to fire the HC and leave the coordinators. I responded by asking this question, because if you get rid of the HC you almost always clean house, unless you hire one of the coordinators as the new HC.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

No, sorry for the confusion. The other guy said it would be pointless to fire the HC and leave the coordinators. I responded by asking this question, because if you get rid of the HC you almost always clean house, unless you hire one of the coordinators as the new HC.

Answer my first question about who our next head coach should be if we fire Gibbs.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

By the way, when was the last time a head coach was fired in the NFL and both defensive and offensive coordinators stuck around? Never. Firing the Coach cleans house generally.

But you said it's all Joe Gibbs fault, you never said it was anyone else's fault but Joe's. So Either you are quite happy with our coordinator's or not. If not, then it isn't all Joe Gibbs fault. Again, you never answered my question. Are you ready to give Joe Gibbs all the credit for taking this team to the playoffs and advancing in the playoffs last year -- in only his second year back? If you're not, then your whole argument is skewed.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

But you said it's all Joe Gibbs fault, you never said it was anyone else's fault but Joe's. So Either you are quite happy with our coordinator's or not. If not, then it isn't all Joe Gibbs fault. Again, you never answered my question. Are you ready to give Joe Gibbs all the credit for taking this team to the playoffs and advancing in the playoffs last year -- in only his second year back? If you're not, then your whole argument is skewed.

Sure, Joe Gibbs took the team to the playoffs he gets the credit. He also gets the credi or the criticism for all of the personnel, clock management and play calling under his watch because its HIS WATCH! He is ultimately responsible.