Im done....Gibbs must go.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I've said that I agree with Paul that Gibbs is not getting the job done. However, he wants Gibbs gone and I disagree.

That's what all of this Gibbs talk comes down to. It's hard to argue that Gibbs is doing well. But, how do people think a first year coach will do? It's amazing to think that these people haven't learned from our past coaching blunders. Don't you guys remember, we had Marvin Lewis (among many other capable coaches through the years)! We let him go. Want to do it again? Where's the logic?

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

That's what all of this Gibbs talk comes down to. It's hard to argue that Gibbs is doing well. But, how do people think a first year coach will do? It's amazing to think that these people haven't learned from our past coaching blunders. Don't you guys remember, we had Marvin Lewis (among many other capable coaches through the years)! We let him go. Want to do it again? Where's the logic?

the logic is that the NFL is a lot different than it was 20 years ago. times have changed. so should we... gibbs doesn't know how to coach in the "new" NFL.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by mason4415

gibbs doesn't know how to coach in the "new" NFL.

I reject that argument categorically.

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I reject that argument categorically.

even last year, when we made the playoffs... it was like pulling teeth. he (and brunell) were both bailed out by the unbelievable play of the defense!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mason4415

even last year, when we made the playoffs... it was like pulling teeth. he (and brunell) were both bailed out by the unbelievable play of the defense!

Good point. I forgot that our running game did absolutely nothing down the stretch. If only Gibbs had gotten involved with that

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Good point. I forgot that our running game did absolutely nothing down the stretch. If only Gibbs had gotten involved with that

Right, an offense that ranked 11th overall in yardage and 13th overall in points had nothing to do with anything.

Didn't you see the playoff game against TB? The season should be judged on that one game you know.

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Right, an offense that ranked 11th overall in yardage and 13th overall in points had nothing to do with anything.

Didn't you see the playoff game against TB? The season should be judged on that one game you know.

The offense was not a superbowl offense last year, if it was better, we would have won the superbowl cause we HAD a superbowl defense. Despite what people say, we were far from winning a superbowl last year, far from it. Upgrading the offense was an ok decision, but maybe saunders was the wrong guy. The offense looks OK right now, we could have won yesterday with the 2005 defense, you know that. Both the tampa and Seattle games yielded pathetic offensive performances last year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mason4415

the logic is that the NFL is a lot different than it was 20 years ago. times have changed. so should we... gibbs doesn't know how to coach in the "new" NFL.

What do you mean the "new" NFL? He did make the playoffs in the new NFL didn't he? The Steelers, a team whose offense basically stems from the Gibbs philosophy did win the Super Bowl in the new NFL, didn't they?

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What do you mean the "new" NFL? He did make the playoffs in the new NFL didn't he? The Steelers, a team whose offense basically stems from the Gibbs philosophy did win the Super Bowl in the new NFL, didn't they?

first of all, i wish i knew what the "Gibbs philosophy" was! second, saying the 2005 steelers offense is based on anything the redskins do is absurd. i am a redskins fan living in pittsburgh. i don't see any similarities from what Gibbs philosophy is (whatever that may be) and the 2005 pittsburgh steelers! and if you want to try, we can argue this one all day long!

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by mason4415

the logic is that the NFL is a lot different than it was 20 years ago. times have changed. so should we... gibbs doesn't know how to coach in the "new" NFL.

What's so new about the NFL? Power running and stopping the run are still staples of a successful NFL team. He's adjusting to the salary cap (slowly) and knows that he can no longer hide players on IR or wherever. I think the play clock is shorter now by a few seconds, but I'm not positive.

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

What's so new about the NFL? Power running and stopping the run are still staples of a successful NFL team. He's adjusting to the salary cap (slowly) and knows that he can no longer hide players on IR or wherever. I think the play clock is shorter now by a few seconds, but I'm not positive.

wow... any knowledgable NFL person knows that if you can't throw the ball, you aren't going to win consistently. you have to be able to throw the ball in today's NFL to be able to win. we aren't in the 1980's anymore!

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by mason4415

wow... any knowledgable NFL person knows that if you can't throw the ball, you aren't going to win consistently. you have to be able to throw the ball in today's NFL to be able to win. we aren't in the 1980's anymore!

Didn't you just post that you were from Pittsburg? And you still say that if you can't throw you aren't going to win? Any "knowledgeable fan" knows that a strong running game sets up the passing game. Reel them in and let it fly. There are a few systems that emphasize passing to setup the run but I can only think of Detroit, Philly and I guess the Patriots right now.

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Didn't you just post that you were from Pittsburg? And you still say that if you can't throw you aren't going to win? Any "knowledgeable fan" knows that a strong running game sets up the passing game. Reel them in and let it fly. There are a few systems that emphasize passing to setup the run but I can only think of Detroit, Philly and I guess the Patriots right now.

New England wins consistently because they attack the weaknesses of their opponent. They do not pass to setup the run. They are just WELL-MANAGED and WELL-COACHED.

I am from Virginia. I moved to Pittsburgh exactly 1 year ago today. And if you knew anything about the NFL, you would know that the Steelers were not a "running team" last year! All 3 AFC playoff games were won with the passing game... not set up by the run, but by adjusting to the other team's defense. The NFL is more of a chess match today than ever! When you play chess, you don't blindly make moves without trying to figure out your opponent... unless you're the redskins. You could get away with that in the 80's and early 90's. TV, computers, technology, NFL popularity, smarter coaches, smarter players, etc have all made the game different from what it used to be.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by mason4415

wow... any knowledgable NFL person knows that if you can't throw the ball, you aren't going to win consistently. you have to be able to throw the ball in today's NFL to be able to win. we aren't in the 1980's anymore!

I agree you have to be able to throw to win in todays nfl. Yes, Pittsburgh has a running physical style of play but many occasions they will come out throwing to set up the run (last year). If you only run the ball defenses are going to stack the line against you (see last year).

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by mason4415

wow... any knowledgable NFL person knows that if you can't throw the ball, you aren't going to win consistently. you have to be able to throw the ball in today's NFL to be able to win. we aren't in the 1980's anymore!

You're the one that used the word "consistently, which to me, means over the course of a season.