Im done....Gibbs must go.

[12thMan]

I think what a lot of people struggle with on this issue is separating Joe Gibbs the coach from Joe Gibbs the man.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think what a lot of people struggle with on this issue is separating Joe Gibbs the coach from Joe Gibbs the man.

Even more people are having trouble separating Joe Gibbs the DC legend ('81-'92) from Joe Gibbs the current coach of the 4-8 Redskins ('04-).

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Even more people are having trouble separating Joe Gibbs the DC legend ('81-'92) from Joe Gibbs the current coach of the 4-8 Redskins ('04-).

Current coach & team prez, which he's never been before. As for coaching, I don't know if your statement's accurate, Gibbs II got us as far (2nd rnd playoffs) as we've been since Gibbs left in 93. He's still learning & has made some mistakes, but this is also on the job training for him as team president. I do believe strongly that he'll correct some of his mistakes, maintain the coaching staff & at least have a winning team next year.

[CrazyCanuck]

This thread is garbage.

Criticizing Gibbs is fine, I do it too. But I can't fathom how a Redskins fan, especially one for 20 years, would ever want Gibbs to go.

I mean before Gibbs came back the big talk at the Warpath was whether we'd get Fassel or Dennis Green for chrst sake. Is your memory that short?

Look at last year's SB coaches. It took the great Bill Cowher 4 years to reach a Super Bowl and 14 years to finally win one. It took Holmgren 7 years to reach the SB with the Seahawks and he still hasn't won one. Even Norv Turner lasted 7 years here. And now some of you guys wanna throw Gibbs under the bus after 3 years?

Gibbs has tried to do everything to win now as well as set up the franchise for the future. He brought in top coaches who could take over the reigns down the road. He drafted a young QB for the future even though we already had 2 QBs on the roster. I mean what do you want from the guy? I find some of your attitudes towards Gibbs to be somewhere between disrespectful and blasphemous.

The day Gibbs came back was one of the happiest days of my life. And the day he decides to leave will be one of the saddest. I thank god and count my lucky stars every single day that he is at the helm, and so should you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here's mine:

To all the fickle, ungrateful fans who want Gibbs to go, I say this - be very careful what you wish for.

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

This thread is garbage.

Criticizing Gibbs is fine, I do it too. But I can't fathom how a Redskins fan, especially one for 20 years, would ever want Gibbs to go.

I mean before Gibbs came back the big talk at the Warpath was whether we'd get Fassel or Dennis Green for chrst sake. Is your memory that short?

Look at last year's SB coaches. It took the great Bill Cowher 4 years to reach a Super Bowl and 14 years to finally win one. It took Holmgren 7 years to reach the SB with the Seahawks and he still hasn't won one. Even Norv Turner lasted 7 years here. And now some of you guys wanna throw Gibbs under the bus after 3 years?

Gibbs has tried to do everything to win now as well as set up the franchise for the future. He brought in top coaches who could take over the reigns down the road. He drafted a young QB for the future even though we already had 2 QBs on the roster. I mean what do you want from the guy? I find some of your attitudes towards Gibbs to be somewhere between disrespectful and blasphemous.

The day Gibbs came back was one of the happiest days of my life. And the day he decides to leave will be one of the saddest. I thank god and count my lucky stars every single day that he is at the helm, and so should you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here's mine:

To all the fickle, ungrateful fans who want Gibbs to go, I say this - be very careful what you wish for.

Well said

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

This thread is garbage.

Criticizing Gibbs is fine, I do it too. But I can't fathom how a Redskins fan, especially one for 20 years, would ever want Gibbs to go.

I mean before Gibbs came back the big talk at the Warpath was whether we'd get Fassel or Dennis Green for chrst sake. Is your memory that short?

Look at last year's SB coaches. It took the great Bill Cowher 4 years to reach a Super Bowl and 14 years to finally win one. It took Holmgren 7 years to reach the SB with the Seahawks and he still hasn't won one. Even Norv Turner lasted 7 years here. And now some of you guys wanna throw Gibbs under the bus after 3 years?

Gibbs has tried to do everything to win now as well as set up the franchise for the future. He brought in top coaches who could take over the reigns down the road. He drafted a young QB for the future even though we already had 2 QBs on the roster. I mean what do you want from the guy? I find some of your attitudes towards Gibbs to be somewhere between disrespectful and blasphemous.

The day Gibbs came back was one of the happiest days of my life. And the day he decides to leave will be one of the saddest. I thank god and count my lucky stars every single day that he is at the helm, and so should you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here's mine:

To all the fickle, ungrateful fans who want Gibbs to go, I say this - be very careful what you wish for.

Inspirational! Nice work

[mason4415]

let me say this again...

HOW COULD IT BE ANY WORSE?! WE ARE 4-8! And 20-28 over the last 3 years. And we have the most talent we have had since the early '90's!

also, as paulskinsfan said... we have to watch teams like New Orleans, San Francisco, New York Jets, etc, etc, etc have success with new coaches.

I'm all for stability in the front office and coaching staff, but if and only if they prove that they are getting the job done! The 20-28 record is not because of lack of talent or anything else. It is b/c of COACHING!

I am sorry, Gibbs 2.0 is a failure. What makes you think we will be able to go 10-6 next year with the same exact group and coaching staff? I don't understand the optimism!

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

This thread is garbage.

Criticizing Gibbs is fine, I do it too. But I can't fathom how a Redskins fan, especially one for 20 years, would ever want Gibbs to go.

I mean before Gibbs came back the big talk at the Warpath was whether we'd get Fassel or Dennis Green for chrst sake. Is your memory that short?

Look at last year's SB coaches. It took the great Bill Cowher 4 years to reach a Super Bowl and 14 years to finally win one. It took Holmgren 7 years to reach the SB with the Seahawks and he still hasn't won one. Even Norv Turner lasted 7 years here. And now some of you guys wanna throw Gibbs under the bus after 3 years?

Gibbs has tried to do everything to win now as well as set up the franchise for the future. He brought in top coaches who could take over the reigns down the road. He drafted a young QB for the future even though we already had 2 QBs on the roster. I mean what do you want from the guy? I find some of your attitudes towards Gibbs to be somewhere between disrespectful and blasphemous.

The day Gibbs came back was one of the happiest days of my life. And the day he decides to leave will be one of the saddest. I thank god and count my lucky stars every single day that he is at the helm, and so should you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here's mine:

To all the fickle, ungrateful fans who want Gibbs to go, I say this - be very careful what you wish for.

That right there was awesome. Great post CC.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

This thread is garbage.

Criticizing Gibbs is fine, I do it too. But I can't fathom how a Redskins fan, especially one for 20 years, would ever want Gibbs to go.

I mean before Gibbs came back the big talk at the Warpath was whether we'd get Fassel or Dennis Green for chrst sake. Is your memory that short?

Look at last year's SB coaches. It took the great Bill Cowher 4 years to reach a Super Bowl and 14 years to finally win one. It took Holmgren 7 years to reach the SB with the Seahawks and he still hasn't won one. Even Norv Turner lasted 7 years here. And now some of you guys wanna throw Gibbs under the bus after 3 years?

Gibbs has tried to do everything to win now as well as set up the franchise for the future. He brought in top coaches who could take over the reigns down the road. He drafted a young QB for the future even though we already had 2 QBs on the roster. I mean what do you want from the guy? I find some of your attitudes towards Gibbs to be somewhere between disrespectful and blasphemous.

The day Gibbs came back was one of the happiest days of my life. And the day he decides to leave will be one of the saddest. I thank god and count my lucky stars every single day that he is at the helm, and so should you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here's mine:

To all the fickle, ungrateful fans who want Gibbs to go, I say this - be very careful what you wish for.

And look at what coaches in New Orleans and the NY Jets have done in 1 year. Look at what Nolan has done in SF in 2 years. All of them started with less talent than Gibbs. It would be one thing if we had young talent waiting in the wings, but we don't. The man has squandered 3 drafts and made lousy free agency moves to get us to this pathetic record. Its easy to keep riding the "I have faith in Gibbs train" but you would never ever cut any other coach this much slack. So if you have so much faith, prove to me that he has this franchise moving in the right direction after 3 years.

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

And look at what coaches in New Orleans and the NY Jets have done in 1 year. Look at what Nolan has done in SF in 2 years. All of them started with less talent than Gibbs. It would be one thing if we had young talent waiting in the wings, but we don't. The man has squandered 3 drafts and made lousy free agency moves to get us to this pathetic record. Its easy to keep riding the "I have faith in Gibbs train" but you would never ever cut any other coach this much slack. So if you have so much faith, prove to me that he has this franchise moving in the right direction after 3 years.

omg, i am so glad that there is at least one rational, non-biased opinion on this site!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mason4415

omg, i am so glad that there is at least one rational, non-biased opinion on this site!

LOL yeah there's only two, thank god you guys found each other.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL yeah there's only two, thank god you guys found each other.

Again, you read what you want to read. Several people have sided with me Matt, but you get to make the poll so make it, Im just not gonna participate.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Again, you read what you want to read. Several people have sided with me Matt, but you get to make the poll so make it, Im just not gonna participate.

Why? You started the thread and suggested that poll wording, here ya go. Don't blame me when the results don't go your way.

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

This thread is garbage.

Criticizing Gibbs is fine, I do it too. But I can't fathom how a Redskins fan, especially one for 20 years, would ever want Gibbs to go.

I mean before Gibbs came back the big talk at the Warpath was whether we'd get Fassel or Dennis Green for chrst sake. Is your memory that short?

Look at last year's SB coaches. It took the great Bill Cowher 4 years to reach a Super Bowl and 14 years to finally win one. It took Holmgren 7 years to reach the SB with the Seahawks and he still hasn't won one. Even Norv Turner lasted 7 years here. And now some of you guys wanna throw Gibbs under the bus after 3 years?

Gibbs has tried to do everything to win now as well as set up the franchise for the future. He brought in top coaches who could take over the reigns down the road. He drafted a young QB for the future even though we already had 2 QBs on the roster. I mean what do you want from the guy? I find some of your attitudes towards Gibbs to be somewhere between disrespectful and blasphemous.

The day Gibbs came back was one of the happiest days of my life. And the day he decides to leave will be one of the saddest. I thank god and count my lucky stars every single day that he is at the helm, and so should you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here's mine:

To all the fickle, ungrateful fans who want Gibbs to go, I say this - be very careful what you wish for.

so what you're saying is that we're content with being the Arizona Cardinals of the East. that's a shame!

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by mason4415

so what you're saying is that we're content with being the Arizona Cardinals of the East. that's a shame!

When's the last time the Cardinals were one game away from the NFC Championship? We were there just last year.

I'm not happy with this season either. But there's no one I'd rather have to try and turn things around than Joe Gibbs.

If some of you guys had your way, we'd dump Gibbs and pick up the soon-to-be-dumped Dennis Green. Then we'd really be the Arizona Cardinals of the East.