What was the LLoyd vs ARE arguement about at the end of the game?

[LMsexyAO]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

Yea, I just officially checked, and against dallas, Lloyd had one catch for 52 yards, but besides that, neither Lloyd nor Randle El has a game of over 50 yards, but guess who does, that's right our wide reciever with the second most yards in a single game is James freaking Thrash with 3 catches for 53 yards. That just pisses me off so much that both Lloyd and Randle El are paid so much and are outpreformed by an old piece of crap. I dont have anything against Thrash I'm just venting my anger at whoever creates the contracts, I wouldnt care if Randle El and Lloyd werent paid so much but they are.

What is your problem, man. The ball has to be thrown to them before they can get yards; you make it seem like they are dropping every pass that comes to them. They are solid additions in my opinion. Plus you've got your stats wrong.. ever hear of a guy named Chris Cooley? Our offensive passing game has been very short-yardage stuff (Pre-Campbell at least) with the exception of Moss and Cooley, ergo it's not completely their fault. Cut them some slack.

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

Originally Posted by LMsexyAO

What is your problem, man. The ball has to be thrown to them before they can get yards; you make it seem like they are dropping every pass that comes to them. They are solid additions in my opinion. Plus you've got your stats wrong.. ever hear of a guy named Chris Cooley? Our offensive passing game has been very short-yardage stuff (Pre-Campbell at least) with the exception of Moss and Cooley, ergo it's not completely their fault. Cut them some slack.

First off, Chris Cooley doesn't count, I said Wide Recievers. I don't actually think they're bad players, I'm not pissed at them at all, I'm more or less pissed at the coaching staff, the bad contracts they've signed, and then they don't use the players they sign. I was just expressing my extreme frustration. And I honestly think that anyone else who isn't as pissed as I am at this situation isn't a true skins fan.

[LMsexyAO]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

First off, Chris Cooley doesn't count, I said Wide Recievers. I don't actually think they're bad players, I'm not pissed at them at all, I'm more or less pissed at the coaching staff, the bad contracts they've signed, and then they don't use the players they sign. I was just expressing my extreme frustration. And I honestly think that anyone else who isn't as pissed as I am at this situation isn't a true skins fan.

If you're frustrated with their lack of use, then yeah I'm pissed too. But I don't see why Cooley doesn't count, yes he's not a WR, but he does everything they do and more. Isn't a TE just a bigger, tougher, slower WR? Also, don't start playing the, "you're not a skins fan!" card. That doesn't work. Ever.

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

Originally Posted by LMsexyAO

If you're frustrated with their lack of use, then yeah I'm pissed too. But I don't see why Cooley doesn't count, yes he's not a WR, but he does everything they do and more. Isn't a TE just a bigger, tougher, slower WR? Also, don't start playing the, "you're not a skins fan!" card. That doesn't work. Ever.

TE's are not the same as WR's, they don't catch as well, if any WR dropped as many passes as Cooley, he wouldn't make it on any roster next season. Also WR's spread the field more, have more deep plays designed to them, are better route runners, and any other difference you can think of. If TE's were the same as WR's, then why would any team have WR's if the TE's can block also? Also, the "you're not a skins fan!" card works every time, lol.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by LMsexyAO

What is your problem, man. The ball has to be thrown to them before they can get yards; you make it seem like they are dropping every pass that comes to them. They are solid additions in my opinion. Plus you've got your stats wrong.. ever hear of a guy named Chris Cooley? Our offensive passing game has been very short-yardage stuff (Pre-Campbell at least) with the exception of Moss and Cooley, ergo it's not completely their fault. Cut them some slack.

There was no need to bring in LLoyd. He has a bad attitude and it's starting to show. He is turning into L. Coles. Bad mouthing everybody in the locker room. SF is laughing at us becasue they knew he was a punk. Plus giving up a 3rd and 4th rounder for him? Why not try and find a gem like Colston who is MUCH better and MUCH cheaper? Another bad move by the worst front office in the history of the NFL.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

There was no need to bring in LLoyd. He has a bad attitude and it's starting to show. He is turning into L. Coles. Bad mouthing everybody in the locker room. SF is laughing at us becasue they knew he was a punk. Plus giving up a 3rd and 4th rounder for him? Why not try and find a gem like Colston who is MUCH better and MUCH cheaper? Another bad move by the worst front office in the history of the NFL.

Can you please post something which backs up any of those claims you made about Lloyd? His production has not been that great but then look at our O as a whole has not been very good. Lloyd to me seems like a guy who wants to win and it seems like on alot of our TD's in the past 4 to 5 games its Lloyd providing the blocking for who ever has the ball.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Can you please post something which backs up any of those claims you made about Lloyd? His production has not been that great but then look at our O as a whole has not been very good. Lloyd to me seems like a guy who wants to win and it seems like on alot of our TD's in the past 4 to 5 games its Lloyd providing the blocking for who ever has the ball.

Yes he blocks his ass off and shows emotion. I'm not questioning that. HOWEVER, his history does not merit his salary and 3rd/ 4th round draft picks. He was a bad locker room guy in SF and many of the vets did not like him. Did not like his personality. He rubbed people the wrong way. To me he does not seem like a Gibbs type of player. As I said before bring in one guy. ARE ( although he is over paid too) plays teams and wr. ARE can do more things. So with all that being said, he is just not worth what we gave up to get him. Save the two draft picks. Use one on a backup O-line, D-line or corner and then go get a big young wr to groom. Giving up what we did to get LLoyd kills your depth and that's why we have none. Bad FO move!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yes he blocks his ass off and shows emotion. I'm not questioning that. HOWEVER, his history does not merit his salary and 3rd/ 4th round draft picks. He was a bad locker room guy in SF and many of the vets did not like him. Did not like his personality. He rubbed people the wrong way. To me he does not seem like a Gibbs type of player. As I said before bring in one guy. ARE ( although he is over paid too) plays teams and wr. ARE can do more things. So with all that being said, he is just not worth what we gave up to get him. Save the two draft picks. Use one on a backup O-line, D-line or corner and then go get a big young wr to groom. Giving up what we did to get LLoyd kills your depth and that's why we have none. Bad FO move!

No you said that he has a bad attitude and its starting to show and that he is bad mouthing everybody in the locker room. Please show us your evidence that this is happening. If you are going to post stuff like facts then show us where you get this information. If thats your opinion with no evidence then let it be known. By starting your statment like "I get the feeling he has a bad attitude".

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by firstdown

No you said that he has a bad attitude and its starting to show and that he is bad mouthing everybody in the locker room. Please show us your evidence that this is happening. If you are going to post stuff like facts then show us where you get this information. If thats your opinion with no evidence then let it be known. By starting your statment like "I get the feeling he has a bad attitude".

It was reported on Sports Talk 980 yesterday and today that he is running his mouth in the locker room along with his sideline tantrums. So I guess they have a source and I believe it 100%. Plus Gibbs is having TWO one on on meetings with him within 24 hours about some issues. This is what Gibbs said. Do you think Gibbs is going to meet with the guy twice within 24 hours for throwing his helmet? I think there is more to it than that. Look at his past? He did the same crap in SF and the same things were reported there. It was reported that he was more concerned with his dreadlocks and music career than getting better and concentrating on football. One of their fullbacks ( I can't remember the guys name ) said this about both LLoyd and Barlow. I read the quotes in a football magazine. It's no wonder that both of them are gone and SF seems better without them. This stuff was reported and I believe it. SF could not wait to get rid of the guy.

[Citizens for 81]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

...One of their fullbacks ( I can't remember the guys name ) said this about both LLoyd and Barlow. I read the quotes in a football magazine. It's no wonder that both of them are gone and SF seems better without them. This stuff was reported and I believe it. SF could not wait to get rid of the guy.

If SF was so worried about getting rid of bad character guys, then why did

they sign Antonio Bryant? I think questioning Lloyd's character at this

point is a little premature.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It was reported on Sports Talk 980 yesterday and today that he is running his mouth in the locker room along with his sideline tantrums. So I guess they have a source and I believe it 100%. Plus Gibbs is having TWO one on on meetings with him within 24 hours about some issues. This is what Gibbs said. Do you think Gibbs is going to meet with the guy twice within 24 hours for throwing his helmet? I think there is more to it than that. Look at his past? He did the same crap in SF and the same things were reported there. It was reported that he was more concerned with his dreadlocks and music career than getting better and concentrating on football. One of their fullbacks ( I can't remember the guys name ) said this about both LLoyd and Barlow. I read the quotes in a football magazine. It's no wonder that both of them are gone and SF seems better without them. This stuff was reported and I believe it. SF could not wait to get rid of the guy.

He has done nothing all season to say that he has a bad attitude. If he was mad with the way we ran the last few minutes of the game I think that most of us felt the same way so I give him a buy on that one.