The Redskins Suck!!!!!!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

No, I understand that. But has Gibbs stepped in to some degree?
Is he telling Al to call this play or that play in certain situations?

I guess we'll never know for sure but all we've heard is that Saunders is calling the plays and Gibbs does have some veto authority but there's no way to tell when and how often he uses that authority.

Knowing Gibbs and the way he delegates I'd guess it's pretty rare that he would overrule Saunders.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I guess we'll never know for sure but all we've heard is that Saunders is calling the plays and Gibbs does have some veto authority but there's no way to tell when and how often he uses that authority.

Knowing Gibbs and the way he delegates I'd guess it's pretty rare that he would overrule Saunders.

But more than Gibbs actually vetoeing anything, I wonder if Al, and I'm reaching on this one, is playing mind games with himself. You know, "I wonder if Gibbs would want this or that play in this situation?" So I'll call what Joe would call, instead of what I feel we should go with?

It's a stretch, but I've played that scenerio over in mind.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

No, I understand that. But has Gibbs stepped in to some degree?
Is he telling Al to call this play or that play in certain situations?

Gibbs clearly stressed to Saunders that he wants more runs in general and more power runs but that does not mean he is calling specific plays. Gibbs suggestions concern the overall game plan.

[61cad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Saunders has called the plays all year.

Not sure why some still don't understand this.

and Gibbs had nothing to do with any of it.

Please!

If Gibbs isn't game planning for the offense, then what does he do all week?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 61cad

and Gibbs had nothing to do with any of it.

Please!

If Gibbs isn't game planning for the offense, then what does he do all week?

I didn't say Gibbs has nothing to do with the offense. He's certainly involved with putting together the game plan, but come gameday it's Saunders running the show.

Besides, you've lost what little credibility you had with your take on the CBA.

If I'm drinking kool-aid you must be hitting the bottle. I suggest something a little lighter.

[61cad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I didn't say Gibbs has nothing to do with the offense. He's certainly involved with putting together the game plan, but come gameday it's Saunders running the show.

Besides, you've lost what little credibility you had with your take on the CBA.

If I'm drinking kool-aid you must be hitting the bottle. I suggest something a little lighter.

Saunders is running the head coaches game plan.

Last time I looked Joe Gibbs was the head coach/ president.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 61cad

Saunders is running the head coaches game plan.

Last time I looked Joe Gibbs was the head coach/ president.

And Williams runs the defensive side, Smith the special teams.

And your point is?

There are plenty of head coaches in this league that don't run the offense and/or don't call plays I hope you know.

[The Zimmermans]

I think the offensive playcalling was very good this week. If we are gonna develop campbell, we HAVE to use him. Handing the ball of 50 times when your losing doesnt send a good message to Jason. He made his mistakes, but he also made his plays. Saunders was somewhat unpredictable this week, and the offense moved the ball all game because of it. He tried using Duckett near the goalline and duckett pusssed out. not Saunders' fault.

[MTK]

I really doubt it. You don't have that much time to event think about those types of things inbetween plays.

[dgack]

yeah but if those coaches don't get the CBA done by next year, they are gonna be in Coach Hell

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by chris36

They suck. Coaches have sucked, personnel has sucked, and personnel management has sucked. They all sucked. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? They are in cap hell and they have a bunch of losers they have to get rid of.

It's not as bad as it seems. This year has SUCKED for sure, but things will get better. We have a ton of talent that just needs to learn about each other and work as a team. When we get that going, things will get far better.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

It's not as bad as it seems. This year has SUCKED for sure, but things will get better. We have a ton of talent that just needs to learn about each other and work as a team. When we get that going, things will get far better.

A "ton" of talent? Outside of Moss and maybe Portis, where is the "ton of talent"? And if this team truly is overloaded with talent, what does it say of this coaching staff that hasn't been able to translate it into wins?

Lloyd, Randle El, Archuleta, and Carter were the only major additions at pivotal positions. The rest of these guys have had about as much playing time as most teams get. How many seasons do they need?

Many fans are in for a rude awakening when they discover how deeply flawed this organization is at its very roots.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

A "ton" of talent? Outside of Moss and maybe Portis, where is the "ton of talent"?

Moss and Portis are givens.

Let's look at Betts -- more rushing yards than the following guys: McGahee, Kevin Jones, Cadillac Williams, DeShaun Foster, etc... with a 4.7 ypc average. On pace for a thousand yard season despite not even starting in 7 games. Talent? Check.

Chris Cooley -- 9th among all TE's in yardage this year, 6th in TD catches. Better yards per catch than Gonzo and Gates. And he's having an "off" year. Talent? Check.

Rock Cartwright -- #4 in the league in return yards this season, already broke 1000, one of only two guys this season to have 100 yard returns, one of only 5 guys this season to score kickoff return TD's. Talent? Check.

On the defense, the entire unit is underachieving, but you've got a 100+ tackle guy in MWash who is having easily one of his worst years ever, but Sean Taylor is tied for second in tackles among all safeties, and sad luck Carlos Rogers is only a couple of tackles below Champ Frickin Bailey this season, 7th among all CB's. Obviously he's got no INT's because he apparently can't catch them this year, but surely all these guys are talented.

I'll leave the obvious QB and line positions alone, since they're likely to inspire violence, and quite frankly, there isn't enough evidence to prove the talent level there. But, we've allowed just 17 sacks this season, for ~130 yards, which is not bad at all.

Where we DO have problems is in penalties, poor clock management, missed opportunities in playcalling, and a lot of other things that don't show up on the stat sheet, but are symptomatic of a team without solid chemistry and leadership, and that will come if we can stop screwing around with the team every year.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by dgack

Moss and Portis are givens.

Let's look at Betts -- more rushing yards than the following guys: McGahee, Kevin Jones, Cadillac Williams, DeShaun Foster, etc... with a 4.7 ypc average. On pace for a thousand yard season despite not even starting in 7 games. Talent? Check.

Chris Cooley -- 9th among all TE's in yardage this year, 6th in TD catches. Better yards per catch than Gonzo and Gates. And he's having an "off" year. Talent? Check.

Rock Cartwright -- #4 in the league in return yards this season, already broke 1000, one of only two guys this season to have 100 yard returns, one of only 5 guys this season to score kickoff return TD's. Talent? Check.

On the defense, the entire unit is underachieving, but you've got a 100+ tackle guy in MWash who is having easily one of his worst years ever, but Sean Taylor is tied for second in tackles among all safeties, and sad luck Carlos Rogers is only a couple of tackles below Champ Frickin Bailey this season, 7th among all CB's. Obviously he's got no INT's because he apparently can't catch them this year, but surely all these guys are talented.

I'll leave the obvious QB and line positions alone, since they're likely to inspire violence, and quite frankly, there isn't enough evidence to prove the talent level there. But, we've allowed just 17 sacks this season, for ~130 yards, which is not bad at all.

Where we DO have problems is in penalties, poor clock management, missed opportunities in playcalling, and a lot of other things that don't show up on the stat sheet, but are symptomatic of a team without solid chemistry and leadership, and that will come if we can stop screwing around with the team every year.

Good post. AMD has a point about Carlos being thrown at, but a good post nonetheless.

[jsarno]

I don't know about you guys, but I am much more excited about the offense. On 3rd and 10 we aren't throwing screens or dumps. JC looks downfield. We need a guy like this. Give him some time and we'll all be surprised on where we will go.
You point me to a good team and I'll point you to a leader QB. When the QB sucks, the team usually sucks. (see Grossman first half of season, Grossman 2nd half of season) Campbell will be a good QB for us!


Just food for thought, all you people that are annoyed with some threads like this one, here's a thought, STOP POSTING ON IT. A long time ago, Howard Stern said, if you don't like what I have to say, stop listening. It's the only good thing he's ever done. I followed his advice and haven't listened since. I follow that theory in this forum as well. If it does not have any good thoughts in it, or I do not agree with it, I don't partake.