Casserly Keeping his options open

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Please explain what you mean, how it shows our FO lack of contacts and networking. That makes no sense.

I didn't understand that take either.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I didn't understand that take either.

Ok, that post wasn't too clear. What I meant is that IMO (based on what I've read like most of us) the FO hasn't done a good job of networking with and making good contacts with other team's FOs. People in any business will often share info w/competitors as long as its not directly linked to them.
Case in point, a recent Washpost article (again, all I have to go on is my reading, I have no inside source) said that several SF players called Skins in the offseason to warn them about dealing w/Loyd.
Rexi seemed to have more info on Loyd than Gibbs did. Gibbs made a statement saying that they'd dond their homework on Loyd & didn't see any problems, yet the SF media had reported several times that vet 49er players didn't get along w/him.
I could go on, but my point is that it appears to ME that our FO doesn't do a good job of networking w/other teams & it shows in our trades & some fa pickups.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Ok, that post wasn't too clear. What I meant is that IMO (based on what I've read like most of us) the FO hasn't done a good job of networking with and making good contacts with other team's FOs. People in any business will often share info w/competitors as long as its not directly linked to them.
Case in point, a recent Washpost article (again, all I have to go on is my reading, I have no inside source) said that several SF players called Skins in the offseason to warn them about dealing w/Loyd.
Rexi seemed to have more info on Loyd than Gibbs did. Gibbs made a statement saying that they'd dond their homework on Loyd & didn't see any problems, yet the SF media had reported several times that vet 49er players didn't get along w/him.
I could go on, but my point is that it appears to ME that our FO doesn't do a good job of networking w/other teams & it shows in our trades & some fa pickups.

Do you really think Gibbs wasn't aware of Lloyd's issues?? C'mon man that's just silly.

Did you expect him to say to the media, "Yeah we know he's a pain in the ass but we're going to take our chances".

Of course not, as usual he tells the media nothing.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Do you really think Gibbs wasn't aware of Lloyd's issues?? C'mon man that's just silly.

Did you expect him to say to the media, "Yeah we know he's a pain in the ass but we're going to take our chances".

Of course not, as usual he tells the media nothing.

I thought everyone knew that Gibbs was a blind fool that only follows his heart and/or scripture to make the right choices. As far as researching and investigation goes he ranks dead last.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I thought everyone knew that Gibbs was a blind fool that only follows his heart and/or scripture to make the right choices. As far as researching and investigation goes he ranks dead last.

You're right, his research on Lloyd probably involved reading the bible and praying with Brunell. Then they both lit a candle and called SF to make the deal.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Do you really think Gibbs wasn't aware of Lloyd's issues?? C'mon man that's just silly.

Did you expect him to say to the media, "Yeah we know he's a pain in the ass but we're going to take our chances".

Of course not, as usual he tells the media nothing.

Good point about Gibbs only giving the right answers to the media. Maybe Loyd is a bad example, but I'm still not so sure that Gibbs would've taken this guy if he had a solid amount of info on him. Loyd has lost the ball a few times in the air this season & doesn't look like a reciever Gibbs would hand pick.
Maybe AA is a better example, he's had a neck surgery & obviously isn't the same player he was a few years back. Could Gibbs, GW et al have figured this out? Maybe, it certainly appears that they could've.
As for our trades, under Beathard & Casserly we always got the better end, remember Lachey for Schroeder? That doesn't ever happen now.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Good point about Gibbs only giving the right answers to the media. Maybe Loyd is a bad example, but I'm still not so sure that Gibbs would've taken this guy if he had a solid amount of info on him. Loyd has lost the ball a few times in the air this season & doesn't look like a reciever Gibbs would hand pick.
Maybe AA is a better example, he's had a neck surgery & obviously isn't the same player he was a few years back. Could Gibbs, GW et al have figured this out? Maybe, it certainly appears that they could've.
As for our trades, under Beathard & Casserly we always got the better end, remember Lachey for Schroeder? That doesn't ever happen now.

Archuleta is probably all on Williams. Reports say that he was jocking him for years and really jumped at the chance to bring him in. On the defensive side Gibbs trusts Williams to make the majority of the personnel decisions.

As for Lloyd I have an awfully hard time believing Gibbs would bring someone in for the offense without knowing everything that he possibly could about him. That's just not his style.

In the end it doesn't really matter how much "homework" you do on a guy. Human nature isn't something that's set in stone.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Archuleta is probably all on Williams. Reports say that he was jocking him for years and really jumped at the chance to bring him in. On the defensive side Gibbs trusts Williams to make the majority of the personnel decisions.

As for Lloyd I have an awfully hard time believing Gibbs would bring someone in for the offense without knowing everything that he possibly could about him. That's just not his style.

In the end it doesn't really matter how much "homework" you do on a guy. Human nature isn't something that's set in stone.

You’re right that wasn’t his style in Gibbs I, but we’re still learning about Gibbs II. Don’t get me wrong, I would still rather have Gibbs at the helm. My overall feeling is that he is learning the job of team prez (GM essentially) & how to balance those duties w/the job of head coach. I think he’s made a few mistakes (some of which he’s admitted, e.g. Pierce), but I have faith that he will also learn from them & make some minor changes this offseason. I also think that he’s the victim of the Danny’s past financial success/football failure, which means that he came into a job w/an organization that is not on good terms w/most of the nfl. No concrete evidence to offer, but I seriously doubt the Skins’ FO has many friends elsewhere in the league. Notice that there are a couple teams we consistently trade with, and each time they get something extra.