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[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Bill B

So you are happy with the moves the front office has made in the past 3 years?
I am not saying get Charley tommorow, but the "collective mindset" at Redskin Park has produced 2 years of misery and if not for a 5 game winning streak another year of missed playoffs.

Here a question I pose - if the current person in charge was not named Joe Gibbs would they still have a job after the season was over or would pretty much everyone in town say the current managment in place needs to go?

I know I am. If anything, I would think the biggest change was bringing in Al Saunders. Imagine if we have all our starting players from the beginning to the end of this season. I bet things would end a bit differently. Pierson doesn't get hurt, he starts over AA. Springs doesn't get hurt, we see Springs defending than Wright getting burned for touchdowns every other play. Portis doesn't get hurt and we have a great 1-2 punch like we'll have next year. Saunders calls the plays RIGHT for this offense and we win at least 2-3 more games and are right in the thick of the playoff race. None of this is stuff a GM can plan for and fix. I'll have to say I'm extremely happy with the moves made in the past three years save for AA.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I know I am. If anything, I would think the biggest change was bringing in Al Saunders. Imagine if we have all our starting players from the beginning to the end of this season. I bet things would end a bit differently. Pierson doesn't get hurt, he starts over AA. Springs doesn't get hurt, we see Springs defending than Wright getting burned for touchdowns every other play. Portis doesn't get hurt and we have a great 1-2 punch like we'll have next year. Saunders calls the plays RIGHT for this offense and we win at least 2-3 more games and are right in the thick of the playoff race. None of this is stuff a GM can plan for and fix. I'll have to say I'm extremely happy with the moves made in the past three years save for AA.

I disagree - aren't most good GM's aware that every team is going to sustain injuries and in knowing this can't a GM prepare the team better by providing better quality depth? Insterad of throwing $10 million at Adam Archie, couldn't the Skins FO said why don't we resign Clark at 1/5 the cost and get a bunch of backups at key positions in case we get an injury or two?

I think most teams in the NFL have to at least entertain the thought as you pointed out that some of thier starters will not play the entire 16 game season due to an injury.

Heck Philly saw this and what does their FO do - they sign a great backup in Jeff Garcia at a resonable price and the may make the playoffs because of it.

Outside of Todd Wade and Troy Vincent how many good backups do the Redskins have?

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I know I am. If anything, I would think the biggest change was bringing in Al Saunders. Imagine if we have all our starting players from the beginning to the end of this season. I bet things would end a bit differently. Pierson doesn't get hurt, he starts over AA. Springs doesn't get hurt, we see Springs defending than Wright getting burned for touchdowns every other play. Portis doesn't get hurt and we have a great 1-2 punch like we'll have next year. Saunders calls the plays RIGHT for this offense and we win at least 2-3 more games and are right in the thick of the playoff race. None of this is stuff a GM can plan for and fix. I'll have to say I'm extremely happy with the moves made in the past three years save for AA.

That's alot of what ifs. Injuries happen and quality teams have depth via drafting players that fit your "system." The FO has made a number of mistakes by overpaying and giving away draft picks when we didn't need to.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by redsk1

That's alot of what ifs. Injuries happen and quality teams have depth via drafting players that fit your "system." The FO has made a number of mistakes by overpaying and giving away draft picks when we didn't need to.

And we've talked about that term ad nauseum. Overpaying is a very relative term. If we paid Mark Brunell a million, billion, zillion dollars and we won the Super Bowl one year, I bet no one would be bitching about overpaying for free agents. Until we enter the ALWAYS upcoming cap-hell, no one has shown me that we've overpaid for anything. Sure, there are busts and gems along the way, but overpaying is way too relative to even factor it into the equation.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

And we've talked about that term ad nauseum. Overpaying is a very relative term. If we paid Mark Brunell a million, billion, zillion dollars and we won the Super Bowl one year, I bet no one would be bitching about overpaying for free agents. Until we enter the ALWAYS upcoming cap-hell, no one has shown me that we've overpaid for anything. Sure, there are busts and gems along the way, but overpaying is way too relative to even factor it into the equation.

I'm not saying that we need a complete overhaul, as we do have talent and have made some good choices. Yes, this team could be a playoff contender in 2007.

Yes, I know the same things keep getting brought up and we're all tired of hearing it, but overpaying imo is not the best thing for team morale.

So let's step into the shoes of say, Sean Taylor. A "core" guy. You have been busting it here for three years or so and you are one of the top safeties in the league. You play every play like its your last risking injury on every play. A guy comes in (AA) and is paid alot more than you are when you've been here busting it. On top of that the guy isn't even on your level. It's only natural to feel a little cheap. I would. That's what i call overpaying. Guess what, Taylor at the very least will require more than AA. I don't mind overpaying a little for our guys.

Gibbs mentioned this when Smoot left saying that we couldn't pay him more than springs. I guess they changed their philosophy a little.

Maybe it doesn't matter to players on the field but it pays to keep your employees happy.

[724Skinsfan]

Man, ya'll are going to make TMC mad and then sumpin bad gonna happen'.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Man, ya'll are going to make TMC mad and then sumpin bad gonna happen'.

Like what?

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Like what?

I don't know, he's a lot more imaginative than I am.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I don't know, he's a lot more imaginative than I am.

Listen - I am not trying to fight amongst all you guys in that we are all presumably diehard fans of the Redskins and want the team to win today and 5 years from now. I hope that I am totally wrong next year and the Skins run the table and Gibbs wins the executive of the year award.

I just get frustrated when these free agents come to Washington to collect the huge bonus paychecks and laugh all the way to the bank. Even though it is Synder's money and I could care less about Synder, I want players to come to Washington because it should be an honor to wear the burgundy and gold and because they want a chance to play for the chmapionship.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Listen - I am not trying to fight amongst all you guys in that we are all presumably diehard fans of the Redskins and want the team to win today and 5 years from now. I hope that I am totally wrong next year and the Skins run the table and Gibbs wins the executive of the year award.

I just get frustrated when these free agents come to Washington to collect the huge bonus paychecks and laugh all the way to the bank. Even though it is Synder's money and I could care less about Synder, I want players to come to Washington because it should be an honor to wear the burgundy and gold and because they want a chance to play for the chmapionship.

Whoa, Bill! Keep it light. My intentions were for meant for humorous purposes only. Sorry for any misunderstandings.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'll have to say I'm extremely happy with the moves made in the past three years save for AA.

I've posted this before, but here are a few points that need to be addressed when anyone defends the personnel decision making of Joe Gibbs the Personnel Decision Maker:

--Giving former wideout Darnerian McCants a $2 million bonus a week before he was declared inactive and subsequently released...

--Giving up a 3rd round draft choice for Mark Brunell who was going to be cut by Jacksonville anyway...

--Giving up Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round choice for Clinton Portis...

--Letting go of Antonio Pierce, who's made it his career long vendetta to bring his game of the year performance every time he plays the Redskins...

--Giving up a 3rd and 4th round draft choice, plus a $10 million bonus for Brandon Lloyd who won't come anywhere near his career averages for catches...

--Giving Randle El a $10 million signing bonus when we already had 3 capable kick returners in Thrash, Betts, and Cartwright...

--Giving up a 3rd round choice for T.J. Duckett who won't get more than 50 carries for the season...

--Trading up in the '06 draft for Rocky McIntosh, losing next year's 2nd round choice when he can't even unseat Warrick Holdman or any other of the incompetent buffoons we have playing on defense...

--Adam Archuleta -- do we need an explanation about him?

--The defense is old, needs to be completely overhauled and gutted, and we haven't nearly enough draft picks next year to address a third of the needs on that side of the field.

These are not the moves of a smart front office.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I've posted this before, but here are a few points that need to be addressed when anyone defends the personnel decision making of Joe Gibbs the Personnel Decision Maker:

--Giving former wideout Darnerian McCants a $2 million bonus a week before he was declared inactive and subsequently released...

--Giving up a 3rd round draft choice for Mark Brunell who was going to be cut by Jacksonville anyway...

--Giving up Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round choice for Clinton Portis...

--Letting go of Antonio Pierce, who's made it his career long vendetta to bring his game of the year performance every time he plays the Redskins...

--Giving up a 3rd and 4th round draft choice, plus a $10 million bonus for Brandon Lloyd who won't come anywhere near his career averages for catches...

--Giving Randle El a $10 million signing bonus when we already had 3 capable kick returners in Thrash, Betts, and Cartwright...

--Giving up a 3rd round choice for T.J. Duckett who won't get more than 50 carries for the season...

--Trading up in the '06 draft for Rocky McIntosh, losing next year's 2nd round choice when he can't even unseat Warrick Holdman or any other of the incompetent buffoons we have playing on defense...

--Adam Archuleta -- do we need an explanation about him?

--The defense is old, needs to be completely overhauled and gutted, and we haven't nearly enough draft picks next year to address a third of the needs on that side of the field.

These are not the moves of a smart front office.

Why can't a lot of the posters see this! Also add to the "smart move" giving up a 6th rounder for James Thrash - why when you can draft someone like Colston of the Saints who was taken in the 6th round - than you don't need to give out $10 million to both ARE and Llloyd.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I've posted this before, but here are a few points that need to be addressed when anyone defends the personnel decision making of Joe Gibbs the Personnel Decision Maker:

--Giving former wideout Darnerian McCants a $2 million bonus a week before he was declared inactive and subsequently released...

--Giving up a 3rd round draft choice for Mark Brunell who was going to be cut by Jacksonville anyway...

--Giving up Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round choice for Clinton Portis...

--Letting go of Antonio Pierce, who's made it his career long vendetta to bring his game of the year performance every time he plays the Redskins...

--Giving up a 3rd and 4th round draft choice, plus a $10 million bonus for Brandon Lloyd who won't come anywhere near his career averages for catches...

--Giving Randle El a $10 million signing bonus when we already had 3 capable kick returners in Thrash, Betts, and Cartwright...

--Giving up a 3rd round choice for T.J. Duckett who won't get more than 50 carries for the season...

--Trading up in the '06 draft for Rocky McIntosh, losing next year's 2nd round choice when he can't even unseat Warrick Holdman or any other of the incompetent buffoons we have playing on defense...

--Adam Archuleta -- do we need an explanation about him?

--The defense is old, needs to be completely overhauled and gutted, and we haven't nearly enough draft picks next year to address a third of the needs on that side of the field.

These are not the moves of a smart front office.

Look at the sports page of the Washington Times today. If anyone can post it's a good article.