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[MTK]

Just curious, what will it say for this current front office if the team makes the playoffs again next year?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just curious, what will it say for this current front office if the team makes the playoffs again next year?

2 playoff seasons and 2 losing seasons? I'd call that a mixed bag, inconsistency.

What do you call a 21-25 overall record?

More importantly, what would you call it if Joe Gibbs weren't the head coach and team president?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

2 playoff seasons and 2 losing seasons? I'd call that a mixed bag, inconsistency.

What do you call a 21-25 overall record?

More importantly, what would you call it if Joe Gibbs weren't the head coach and team president?

ok, how about a Super Bowl?

My point is, if the front office is doing such a horrible job now and is the focal point for a lot of the blame, would they receive an equal amount of praise if things turned around? Somehow I doubt it.

I've already said it before, regardless of his name, I am not satisfied with our current situation. Losing is never acceptable however, again regardless of his name, I wouldn't be calling for major changes.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

ok, how about a Super Bowl?

My point is, if the front office is doing such a horrible job now and is the focal point for a lot of the blame, would they receive an equal amount of praise if things turned around? Somehow I doubt it.

I've already said it before, regardless of his name, I am not satisfied with our current situation. Losing is never acceptable however, again regardless of his name, I wouldn't be calling for major changes.

Those who defend this front office have to do it with "what ifs" and hypotheticals. The skeptics, those who criticize the current system only have to point to the scoreboard.

This is just a thought, but... the people who blindly and relentlessly defend the upper levels of the franchise who are in charge of personnel -- weren't they the same people who told us that everything would be fine once the exhibition games were over and the regular season started?

I'm not calling for major changes to the coaching staff. I believe the structure is fine just the way it is -- and Saunders WILL pay dividends, it's only a matter of time. And I don't buy into the 'too many cooks in the kitchen' arguement.

I am firmly on the side that says the personnel decision making process needs to be revised. What has to stop is the current system, which resembles a couple of teenagers with a blank check from Daddy Warbucks'.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Those who defend this front office have to do it with "what ifs" and hypotheticals. The skeptics, those who criticize the current system only have to point to the scoreboard.

This is just a thought, but... the people who blindly and relentlessly defend the upper levels of the franchise who are in charge of personnel -- weren't they the same people who told us that everything would be fine once the exhibition games were over and the regular season started?

I'm not calling for major changes to the coaching staff. I believe the structure is fine just the way it is -- and Saunders WILL pay dividends, it's only a matter of time. And I don't buy into the 'too many cooks in the kitchen' arguement.

I am firmly on the side that says the personnel decision making process needs to be revised. What has to stop is the current system, which resembles a couple of teenagers with a blank check from Daddy Warbucks'.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying the coaching staff is fine but it doesn't really matter because they don't have the right players to coach?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying the coaching staff is fine but it doesn't really matter because they don't have the right players to coach?

Based on the past success of Gibbs, Williams, and Saunders, I don't think any deserve to be fired. That's not to say there weren't breakdowns in certain fundamentals of coaching, because obviously there were. For the sake of continuity with regard to offensive and defensive systems and philosophies, I think it's best that the coaching staff remain intact.

I just don't want them in charge of personnel anymore.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Based on the past success of Gibbs, Williams, and Saunders, I don't think any deserve to be fired. That's not to say there weren't breakdowns in certain fundamentals of coaching, because obviously there were. For the sake of continuity with regard to offensive and defensive systems and philosophies, I think it's best that the coaching staff remain intact.

I just don't want them in charge of personnel anymore.

I actually wouldn't mind the team letting go of Steve Jackson - Jerry Gray is a better secondary coach and do we really need a seperate safeties coach?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Based on the past success of Gibbs, Williams, and Saunders, I don't think any deserve to be fired. That's not to say there weren't breakdowns in certain fundamentals of coaching, because obviously there were. For the sake of continuity with regard to offensive and defensive systems and philosophies, I think it's best that the coaching staff remain intact.

I just don't want them in charge of personnel anymore.

Ok, but I guess what I'm asking is do you think that this coaching staff can coach this team (fully healthy) to the playoffs and beyond in 2007? And if so, what's the problem with the personnel then?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Those who defend this front office have to do it with "what ifs" and hypotheticals. The skeptics, those who criticize the current system only have to point to the scoreboard.

This is just a thought, but... the people who blindly and relentlessly defend the upper levels of the franchise who are in charge of personnel -- weren't they the same people who told us that everything would be fine once the exhibition games were over and the regular season started?

I'm not calling for major changes to the coaching staff. I believe the structure is fine just the way it is -- and Saunders WILL pay dividends, it's only a matter of time. And I don't buy into the 'too many cooks in the kitchen' arguement.

I am firmly on the side that says the personnel decision making process needs to be revised. What has to stop is the current system, which resembles a couple of teenagers with a blank check from Daddy Warbucks'.

I disagree. Gibbs come in, has a rusty period with clock management issues and offensive issues. He still produces a 1300 yard rusher in that system, all the while GW leads the defense to third overall. The next year, with virtually the same team, Gibbs leads the team to a playoff win, two record setting team performances by both Portis and Moss. Both acquisitions of the current administration.

This year is most certainly an "off" year. While football is a team game, it's a lot of great individual efforts that make average teams great. You lose Pierson, Springs and Portis on day one. Springs and Portis are arguably MVPs on their respective sides of the ball. What is it that needs to be changed? Why does everyone have such a problem with how things are run?

After we made these offseason moves, we were all excited to be Super Bowl bound. Is it overspending then?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Those who defend this front office have to do it with "what ifs" and hypotheticals. The skeptics, those who criticize the current system only have to point to the scoreboard.

This is just a thought, but... the people who blindly and relentlessly defend the upper levels of the franchise who are in charge of personnel -- weren't they the same people who told us that everything would be fine once the exhibition games were over and the regular season started?

I'm not calling for major changes to the coaching staff. I believe the structure is fine just the way it is -- and Saunders WILL pay dividends, it's only a matter of time. And I don't buy into the 'too many cooks in the kitchen' arguement.

I am firmly on the side that says the personnel decision making process needs to be revised. What has to stop is the current system, which resembles a couple of teenagers with a blank check from Daddy Warbucks'.

I'm not blindly following anything, and I'm pretty much done with defending myself on that point. Last year wasn't a what if, remarkable as it may have seemed to some, the personnel that was selected by this front office led this team to 11 wins including the playoffs. It's not crazy to think that it can happen again.

Back to my hypothetical, because that is what we do here on occassion, what if this team goes to the Super Bowl? Will the front office get any credit, or will the team have somehow overcome the totally inept front office??

[Citizens for 81]

Not to...

...but hiring a GM would only be a ceremonial gesture to placate the critics of the current front office. Whoever the guy would be, he'd only be a "yes" man here.