Worst Defense in the NFL

[freddyg12]

Anyone know where we rank in # of turnovers by the O? I know we're one of the best in the league had holding on to the ball. While that doesn't mean our offense has been highly effective, it further shows how much our D let us down - they couldn't stop or take the ball away, while for the most part our offense has at least not lost many games for us.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Anyone know where we rank in # of turnovers by the O? I know we're one of the best in the league had holding on to the ball. While that doesn't mean our offense has been highly effective, it further shows how much our D let us down - they couldn't stop or take the ball away, while for the most part our offense has at least not lost many games for us.

We're 2nd best in the league for giveaways with 15 (1 more than San Diego). Unfortunately we're worst in the league in takeaways.

Means the offense has done an excellent job NOT turning it over, and that's with a young, inexperienced QB and a backup RB. The defense, on the other hand, can't force a turnover to save it's life.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by mheisig

We're 2nd best in the league for giveaways with 15 (1 more than San Diego). Unfortunately we're worst in the league in takeaways.

Means the offense has done an excellent job NOT turning it over, and that's with a young, inexperienced QB and a backup RB. The defense, on the other hand, can't force a turnover to save it's life.

That has to also prove that Betts is not the fumbler that people are saying that he is

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by riggoraider

That has to also prove that Betts is not the fumbler that people are saying that he is

He also didn't have very many carries in the first part of the year.

The term "fumbler" means different things to different people. Earnest Byner was not a "fumbler", but he is probably best known for fumbling in the 1987 AFC Championship game against Denver. He might have put the ball on the ground one or two other times for the rest of his career.

Stephen Davis on the other hand, and to a certain extent, Gerald Riggs were fumblers. I'd say if you fumble it two times or more in the same season, you've earned the label. Betts did it against Tampa Bay and against the Rams (that I can think of). That's not as agregious as say, Tiki Barber - who was also known as a notorious fumbler before Coughlin started coaching him - but it does start to raise the eyebrows.

Like it or not, in this league if you fumble it more than once in a season, and have demonstrated a history of it -- your a fumbler. Plain and simple.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

He also didn't have very many carries in the first part of the year.

The term "fumbler" means different things to different people. Earnest Byner was not a "fumbler", but he is probably best known for fumbling in the 1987 AFC Championship game against Denver. He might have put the ball on the ground one or two other times for the rest of his career.

Stephen Davis on the other hand, and to a certain extent, Gerald Riggs were fumblers. I'd say if you fumble it two times or more in the same season, you've earned the label. Betts did it against Tampa Bay and against the Rams (that I can think of). That's not as agregious as say, Tiki Barber - who was also known as a notorious fumbler before Coughlin started coaching him - but it does start to raise the eyebrows.

Like it or not, in this league if you fumble it more than once in a season, and have demonstrated a history of it -- your a fumbler. Plain and simple.

MORE THAN ONCE IN A SEASON!!! ...You are kind of hard on a running back aren't you? I am sure that all or the majority of the starting running backs have more than one fumble therefore all have to be labled fumblers right?...I may be wrong but if you can give me a starter that has not fumbled more than once this year please do so and I will, gladly, eat my words.

LT and LJ and Steven Jackson has 2 so they are fumblers also right?... Tiki Barber 3..Shaun Alexander ....4...Willie Parker and Frank Gore 5 ...fumblers?

Why don't all these guys be benched they are awful backs!!!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by riggoraider

...I may be wrong but if you can give me a starter that has not fumbled more than once this year please do so and I will, gladly, eat my words.

When did I say anything about Betts getting benched? And yes, 5 fumbles in one season most definitely gets you the fumbler identity in my book.

Anyhoo, as to your challenge, get ready to eat up...

Minimum 75 rushes, running backs in '06 without any fumbles:

Marion Barber (DAL)
Clinton Portis
Jerius Norwood (ATL)
Cedric Benson (CHI)
Lamont Jordan (OAK)

Those with just one in '06:

Joseph Addai (IND)
Brian Westbrook (PHI)
Thomas Jones (CHI)
Maurice Jones-Drew (JACK)
Julius Jones (DAL)
Warrick Dunn (ATL)
DeAngelo Williams (CAR)
Lawrence Maroney (NE)

The list goes on and on. Again, the term means different things to different people. "Fast" Willie Parker has 5 fumbles for the year. And there were many RBs that had 2 or 3 fumbles. To me, Betts just hasn't had enough carries over his career to be labelled either way, but I think he's getting there.

Is he the worst fumbler ever? No. Does he fumble? Yes. Take that any way you want.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

When did I say anything about Betts getting benched? And yes, 5 fumbles in one season most definitely gets you the fumbler identity in my book.

Anyhoo, as to your challenge, get ready to eat up...

Minimum 75 rushes, running backs in '06 without any fumbles:

Marion Barber (DAL)
Clinton Portis
Jerius Norwood (ATL)
Cedric Benson (CHI)
Lamont Jordan (OAK)

Those with just one in '06:

Joseph Addai (IND)
Brian Westbrook (PHI)
Thomas Jones (CHI)
Maurice Jones-Drew (JACK)
Julius Jones (DAL)
Warrick Dunn (ATL)
DeAngelo Williams (CAR)
Lawrence Maroney (NE)

The list goes on and on. Again, the term means different things to different people. "Fast" Willie Parker has 5 fumbles for the year. And there were many RBs that had 2 or 3 fumbles. To me, Betts just hasn't had enough carries over his career to be labelled either way, but I think he's getting there.

Is he the worst fumbler ever? No. Does he fumble? Yes. Take that any way you want.

LOL...out of all those guys that you named only about 5 are starters so besides those 5 the rest of the league starters are fumblers in your opinion? ....NO he has not been starting all year but he has probably the most carries of almost anyone in the past 6 weeks. Carrying the load with absolutely no pass offense is not as easy as it may seem defenses knows that he is going to be THE guy.