ESPN: Archuleta: 'I don't like getting lied to'

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

players are not going to discuss other players lack of skill or lack of grasping the scheme to the media. they didn't do it with lavar and they wont do it with AA.

Just ask Carlos what he thinks? Also I know of at least one player Springs who spoke to the media about Lavar having little to no grasp of the defensive scheme and gameplan.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Just ask Carlos what he thinks? Also I know of at least one player Springs who spoke to the media about Lavar having little to no grasp of the defensive scheme and gameplan.

carlos was talking about the possibility of springs return, he also didn't say anything that springs had not already said to the media.

i do vagely(sp) remember springs commenting on lavar. not sure if it was during the season or after lavar was gone. if it was during the season then springs was going against the grain, most nfl players don't talk publicly about their teammates faults.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i do vagely(sp) remember springs commenting on lavar. not sure if it was during the season or after lavar was gone. if it was during the season then springs was going against the grain, most nfl players don't talk publicly about their teammates faults.

Yeah it was after Lavar was in NYC.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

most nfl players don't talk publicly about their teammates faults.

Right, which is why I suggested we might see an anonymous retort to Arch's complaints if they were totally false.

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i think all of us are making to much out of this.

I think there are lots of cases where players come to a team and don't work out for one reason or another. But rarely do you see those players benched the way Arch was, unless it's a "locker room cancer" type of issue, and rarely does it seem to get as ugly as it does around here.

I don't think I'm alone in being concerned with the reputation (deserved or not) our front office is starting to get with respect to how we treat players. I don't mind the label that we try to buy all the best players; the fact that Snyder opens his wallet freely is a great thing IMO. But how we treat the guys we spend so lavishly on, when they don't exceed our wildest expectations, should be of concern.

So here's another question. Why is Lloyd still playing and Archuleta not? I'm bracing for the inevitable "have you seen the blocks Brandon throws! He plays his guts out on every down" comments, but the fact is, relative to his contract, I do not think he has played any better than Arch, and by all accounts he is not particularly well-liked or respected in the locker room, whereas we have heard nothing to that effect about Arch.

In case it's not obvious, I think GGrilliamss has horrible personal skills, and is allowing his ego to destroy his defensive unit.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by dgack

Right, which is why I suggested we might see an anonymous retort to Arch's complaints if they were totally false.




I think there are lots of cases where players come to a team and don't work out for one reason or another. But rarely do you see those players benched the way Arch was, unless it's a "locker room cancer" type of issue, and rarely does it seem to get as ugly as it does around here.

I don't think I'm alone in being concerned with the reputation (deserved or not) our front office is starting to get with respect to how we treat players. I don't mind the label that we try to buy all the best players; the fact that Snyder opens his wallet freely is a great thing IMO. But how we treat the guys we spend so lavishly on, when they don't exceed our wildest expectations, should be of concern.

So here's another question. Why is Lloyd still playing and Archuleta not? I'm bracing for the inevitable "have you seen the blocks Brandon throws! He plays his guts out on every down" comments, but the fact is, relative to his contract, I do not think he has played any better than Arch, and by all accounts he is not particularly well-liked or respected in the locker room, whereas we have heard nothing to that effect about Arch.

In case it's not obvious, I think GGrilliamss has horrible personal skills, and is allowing his ego to destroy his defensive unit.

lloyed has also been benched in favor of randel L but thats a different subject.
anyways, i dont know the answers any more than you do. i've given my opinion and you've given yours. only AA and the coaches know the real reason behind this.

never the less thanks for the good discussion. have a happy and safe new year.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by dgack

Right, which is why I suggested we might see an anonymous retort to Arch's complaints if they were totally false.




I think there are lots of cases where players come to a team and don't work out for one reason or another. But rarely do you see those players benched the way Arch was, unless it's a "locker room cancer" type of issue, and rarely does it seem to get as ugly as it does around here.

I don't think I'm alone in being concerned with the reputation (deserved or not) our front office is starting to get with respect to how we treat players. I don't mind the label that we try to buy all the best players; the fact that Snyder opens his wallet freely is a great thing IMO. But how we treat the guys we spend so lavishly on, when they don't exceed our wildest expectations, should be of concern.

So here's another question. Why is Lloyd still playing and Archuleta not? I'm bracing for the inevitable "have you seen the blocks Brandon throws! He plays his guts out on every down" comments, but the fact is, relative to his contract, I do not think he has played any better than Arch, and by all accounts he is not particularly well-liked or respected in the locker room, whereas we have heard nothing to that effect about Arch.

In case it's not obvious, I think GGrilliamss has horrible personal skills, and is allowing his ego to destroy his defensive unit.

Exactly. The real issue isn't whether AA can cover, or does he practice well, or who hurt his feelings - forget all that crap, I could care less!

My concern is how we handle players once we consider them expendable.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Exactly. The real issue isn't whether AA can cover, or does he practice well, or who hurt his feelings - forget all that crap, I could care less!

My concern is how we handle players once we consider them expendable.

Precisely -- I mean, wouldn't we be aghast if, all of the sudden, Snyder decided he had had enough of GGrilliamss and relieved him of his coaching responsibilities but put him in charge of punters or something, and just refused to talk to him about it for the better part of a work year?

On JLC's WashPost blog, there was a great comment about how when Wellington Mara died, all the players were commenting on how professionally and respectfully he always treated them. Maybe Snyder doesn't care, but right now his legacy is pretty horrible-looking. Wins, losses, and ticket prices are one issue, but how you treat professionals in your organization are another thing entirely.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by dgack

Precisely -- I mean, wouldn't we be aghast if, all of the sudden, Snyder decided he had had enough of GGrilliamss and relieved him of his coaching responsibilities but put him in charge of punters or something, and just refused to talk to him about it for the better part of a work year?

On JLC's WashPost blog, there was a great comment about how when Wellington Mara died, all the players were commenting on how professionally and respectfully he always treated them. Maybe Snyder doesn't care, but right now his legacy is pretty horrible-looking. Wins, losses, and ticket prices are one issue, but how you treat professionals in your organization are another thing entirely.

I just don't get all the bashing of AA. This is a guy who takes a lot of pride in being mentally and physically prepared for the season and games. In fact, I believe he refused to have surgery a couple of years ago just to heal through natural methods. Secondly, prior to coming here you've never heard of this guy whining or expecting someone to sit him down and explain 'things' to him. He's a veteran, he knows how the NFL works. I don't think he's expecting any coddling or hand holding.

If you walk into a grocery store, put enough money in the meter for an hour, return in 15 minutes, and suddenly you find the meter maid standing next to your vehicle writing you a ticket. Immediately you protest, and want to know what the f**ck is going!? Instead of saying anything, the meter maid gives a blank stare in your direction for 3 seconds, looks back at his pad and finishes writing the ticket, slaps it on your windshield and takes off.

Like I said in a previous post, if this were the first time this had happened, I would chalk it up as an isolated incident, but it's not. It seems to be an on going thing at Redskins Park, whether we like the players involved or not. It seems like we have a way of alienating players and then play it down.

I'm very anxious to see how the defense responds to Gregg Williams next year.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Like I said in a previous post, if this were the first time this had happened, I would chalk it up as an isolated incident, but it's not. It seems to be an on going thing at Redskins Park, whether we like the players involved or not. It seems like we have a way of alienating players and then play it down.

I'm very anxious to see how the defense responds to Gregg Williams next year.

you know, this is really only the 2nd time that this has happened. it's just been in back to back years with lavar and now AA. i would'nt really call it an "on going thing" at redskins park. just two isolated incidents of two
players who got their feelings hurt by this coaching staff because they were benched in favor of less popular players.