Redskins-Giants Postgame Thoughts

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Redskin

And the giants defense was nothing special tonight, Also who the f*** do you think got us to the playoffs last year becuase it certaintly wasent the offense, yep looked like williams D to me. So honestly the 2 previous season show that the man can coach a defense if he is given th eplayer, now lets give him the players and stop calling for everones head on the whole god damn planet.

You're right. The defense was critical in getting us to the playoffs last year. And this year, they cost us the season. So, it's a scratch for Gregg Williams. I'd rather have someone whose team will be consistent. Worst yet, Williams' star players such as Sean Taylor and top picks such as Carlos Rogers seem to get worse. From Top 10 to last or near-last is the one of the worst dropoffs I've ever seen.

[GoSkins!]

Redskins-Giants Postgame Thoughts = Our defense really does suck.

[Beemnseven]

First of all, I don't put all of the blame Gregg Williams for the plummet we've seen this year -- according to accounts, he was the one who really wanted Adam Archuleta, so he takes a big hit for that one. But his scheme is fine -- what happened was that his players got old.

Apart from Golston and Carter, the defensive line is old. Even Griffin's days of wowing all of the fans is over. Salave'a can't stay healthy, and he was put in a full-time starting position this year -- he simply can't be expected to do that for 16 games. Renaldo Wynn and Philip Daniels may be great locker room leaders, but they're just not getting it done on the field anymore. Time to say goodbye.

And as bad as these starters are, the depth is even worse, and they won't take us anywhere. There was a shot of somebody named "Sykes" on the field last night. I have no idea who that was. But he, Demetric Evans, Ryan Boschetti and whoever else there is leave us no hope for the future.

We failed this year at two critical positions -- the line, and the secondary. No one could have predicted Kenny Wright's abyssmal showing, Archuleta's implosion, or Rogers' continuing fall from first round status (if he ever had it). We SHOULD have prepared for Springs' susceptability to injury, but most probably thought we did that by drafting Rogers.

Bottom line is, the bones that make up this defense were deteriorating for awhile, and this year they finally cracked. And it's not going to get fixed in one year, so don't get your hopes up.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

First of all, I don't put all of the blame Gregg Williams for the plummet we've seen this year -- according to accounts, he was the one who really wanted Adam Archuleta, so he takes a big hit for that one. But his scheme is fine -- what happened was that his players got old.

Apart from Golston and Carter, the defensive line is old. Even Griffin's days of wowing all of the fans is over. Salave'a can't stay healthy, and he was put in a full-time starting position this year -- he simply can't be expected to do that for 16 games. Renaldo Wynn and Philip Daniels may be great locker room leaders, but they're just not getting it done on the field anymore. Time to say goodbye.

And as bad as these starters are, the depth is even worse, and they won't take us anywhere. There was a shot of somebody named "Sykes" on the field last night. I have no idea who that was. But he, Demetric Evans, Ryan Boschetti and whoever else there is leave us no hope for the future.

We failed this year at two critical positions -- the line, and the secondary. No one could have predicted Kenny Wright's abyssmal showing, Archuleta's implosion, or Rogers' continuing fall from first round status (if he ever had it). We SHOULD have prepared for Springs' susceptability to injury, but most probably thought we did that by drafting Rogers.

Bottom line is, the bones that make up this defense were deteriorating for awhile, and this year they finally cracked. And it's not going to get fixed in one year, so don't get your hopes up.

Very good assessment of the reasons for the defense's disastrous season. And you're right; it won't be a quick fix. I guess we'll see whether Gregg really is a genius based on how long he takes to right the ship.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

First of all, I don't put all of the blame Gregg Williams for the plummet we've seen this year -- according to accounts, he was the one who really wanted Adam Archuleta, so he takes a big hit for that one. But his scheme is fine -- what happened was that his players got old.

Apart from Golston and Carter, the defensive line is old. Even Griffin's days of wowing all of the fans is over. Salave'a can't stay healthy, and he was put in a full-time starting position this year -- he simply can't be expected to do that for 16 games. Renaldo Wynn and Philip Daniels may be great locker room leaders, but they're just not getting it done on the field anymore. Time to say goodbye.

And as bad as these starters are, the depth is even worse, and they won't take us anywhere. There was a shot of somebody named "Sykes" on the field last night. I have no idea who that was. But he, Demetric Evans, Ryan Boschetti and whoever else there is leave us no hope for the future.

We failed this year at two critical positions -- the line, and the secondary. No one could have predicted Kenny Wright's abyssmal showing, Archuleta's implosion, or Rogers' continuing fall from first round status (if he ever had it). We SHOULD have prepared for Springs' susceptability to injury, but most probably thought we did that by drafting Rogers.

Bottom line is, the bones that make up this defense were deteriorating for awhile, and this year they finally cracked. And it's not going to get fixed in one year, so don't get your hopes up.

I see no reason to believe that the scheme is perfectly fine. Schemes can get figured out by the opposition, and from the looks of it this year, every team had us figured out to a T.

You are absolutely right - players do get old, and that impacts a team. But that's a coaching problem. The player's ages are not a secret. It's not like, WHAM, all of a sudden the defensive line is ancient. Williams knew that was happening, knew it was coming, and failed to provide appropriate depth and young talent, instead choosing to blow piles of cash on a washed up, useless DB in Archuleta.

Players getting old and a lack of depth is a coaching problem, plain and simple. It's an inability to prepare in the offseason for the potential pitfalls of the next season. It appears that Williams pathlogical and epic arrogance pretty much blinds him to the fact that anything is really his responsibility. Blaming the players for getting old is a pretty sad excuse, but it would fit right in with someone like Williams who always manages to blame somebody else.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I see no reason to believe that the scheme is perfectly fine. Schemes can get figured out by the opposition, and from the looks of it this year, every team had us figured out to a T.

You are absolutely right - players do get old, and that impacts a team. But that's a coaching problem. The player's ages are not a secret. It's not like, WHAM, all of a sudden the defensive line is ancient. Williams knew that was happening, knew it was coming, and failed to provide appropriate depth and young talent, instead choosing to blow piles of cash on a washed up, useless DB in Archuleta.

Players getting old and a lack of depth is a coaching problem, plain and simple. It's an inability to prepare in the offseason for the potential pitfalls of the next season. It appears that Williams pathlogical and epic arrogance pretty much blinds him to the fact that anything is really his responsibility. Blaming the players for getting old is a pretty sad excuse, but it would fit right in with someone like Williams who always manages to blame somebody else.

Agreed. In Williams first year his defense finished 3rd in the league, second year we finished 9th, and gave up a ton of big plays still. This year, well we know the stats.

It seems that offenses have figured out his schemes, couple that with key departures with no upgrades along the way, and this is how you fall from 3rd to 30 or 32nd in the NFL.

Do we need upgrades at corner, DT, and linebacker..absolutely. But good coordinators find a way to compensate for lack of talent. If we think we're going to just waltz into FA and ink Nate Clememts to a nice deal or whomever, and voila, we're back...we had better think again.

[Beemnseven]

Players CAN get ancient over night. I've heard them say as much. Charles Mann admitted that once on a post game show. I'm paraphrasing, but he said that as quick as the flight from Washington to San Fransisco, where he ended his career, he got old. It can happen that quick.

And no, players getting old is not the coaches fault. That falls to the front office and player-personnel. Now, if Williams is making personnel decisions he's not qualified to make, then that's the fault of the system which puts him in charge of making those decisions -- so, back to the structure of this organization we go.

If we had healthy players last night, and I'm not sure we did, then that only strengthens the argument that the players we have aren't right for the system anymore. By the 16th game of the season, everybody's playing with some nagging problem. Was Griffin out there? I didn't see him too much -- but a guy can be healhy and still not get it done anymore.

It's like the design of a house -- if the plans are drawn up right, all the measurements are correct, everything works. But if the materials that make up the construction of the house are faulty, it all falls to the ground. The system was fine for the first two years -- and years before by Buddy Ryan who ran it for years and tutored Williams. Any system can be figured out when the players for that system suck.